341. From Athletes to A-Listers: Ani Papazyan’s Journey in Pain Relief

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Pepezan.

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think I said that right.

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I don't know.

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We went over the spelling.

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How to pronounce your name and my audience knows I'm not the best one for pronouncing
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So my apologies.

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How you doing today?

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I'm doing fantastic and you did just fine.

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You did much better than most people do.

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So thank you.

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Well, you know, I just don't worry about it that much because Scarlatta is mispronounced
all the time.

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And you just kind of have to be like, well, we do the best we can, right?

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All right.

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So for the audience, this is going to be a great conversation today because Ani is a pain
resolution specialist, bestselling author and speaker.

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And she draws on three decades of expertise to empower individuals in taking control of
their health and living pain free.

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Huge for so, so many people.

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Yeah.

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So tell us a little bit about yourself and how you got into this type of work.

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Cause I imagine there's some sort of backstory here.

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Well, honestly, you know, you would think or your audience would think the back story
would be I had pain, I was dealing with it, I was frustrated and then somehow I found the

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solution and that drove me to specialize in pain relief.

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That's not the case with me.

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You know, I was a former professional athlete, played volleyball for Armenian national
team, finished college back home in Armenia and then when my family, we moved here.

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I studied medical massage in college.

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So when I reinstated my kinesiology degree in the US, of course I come from academics, a
family of academics, know, but my parents were engineers.

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Education was like everything for us.

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And so I wanted to continue to get my masters until I found out I had to deal with
cadavers.

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And that was the end of my getting my masters either becoming physical therapists or a
chiropractor because that wasn't going to happen.

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So since I started, my God, I don't even go to funerals.

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I'm terrified of dead bodies.

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And so, you know, since I studied medical massage in college, thought, okay, as long as
there's no cadavers in massage school, I'm going to go to massage school.

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But my passion was pain relief because it's just fun for me.

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It's literally I love trying to figure out where your pain is coming from.

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How what can I do?

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How fast we can get rid of it and maintain it.

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It's not about let's cover up your symptoms, but how can we for good get rid of that pain
and what can I teach you the techniques?

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to maintain that.

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Yeah, you love it.

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Now you are, are you still on tour right now?

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Well, we just finished the US leg.

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You know, I'm so excited.

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So tell the audience what you just finished up doing.

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So exciting.

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I'm home for about a few weeks.

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You know, I was fortunate enough a second time to travel with Janet Jackson, do her tour.

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First time I did in 1998, 1999, Hell Velvet World Tour.

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And then I got called back and I was like, ready packing my bags.

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So we just finished the US leg.

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We have a little break.

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And then in September, we had to Europe.

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And I'm just so fortunate.

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I love working with her.

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She's amazing.

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And the dancers are fantastic.

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And it's just fun because I get to use my quick, know, fancy unique techniques for pain
relief on the dancers, which before the show, you know, we have like 10, 15 minutes of

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only her tears or, you know, my foot or whatever.

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to get rid of that.

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Well, and I would imagine not only for Janet Jackson, because she's, I mean, she's an
incredible performer.

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And then you have all the dancers.

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And if you're doing this every day on tour and they're all perfectionists, right?

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And they're gonna push themselves and all of that, you're gonna have some pain for sure.

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Well, yeah, the show is about two hours.

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You know, it's very high intense show, especially, you know, some of the shows they were
doing outdoors when it's like Midwest, 95 degrees outside with 100 humidity.

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I don't know how they did it.

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I mean, they were just drenched that so hard on your body.

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And then you recover.

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in the morning and I'm in the DC area and it's, you know, it can be 95 degrees at 10 a
with the humidity and you're out there trying to play.

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I mean, I can't even imagine dancing and, you know, all of that.

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those lights, you know, on you and everything.

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Yeah, it's hard.

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I don't know how they do it.

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My heart's off to them.

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But they put on a fascinating show.

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I watch it.

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Every show I have to be there.

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I have to watch it.

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You know, because sometimes with the quick change, Janet may need something like real
quick.

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have like 10, 10 to 15 seconds to do something.

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working with somebody at her level of celebrity?

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It's fun, you know, I mean, I love her.

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She's such a nice, soft -spoken, quiet person.

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And the people around her, the core people are the same people that I traveled with 25
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So we're like family.

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We get along really well.

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We know what our place is.

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don't, you know, cross boundaries.

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It's, I love it.

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It's amazing.

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It's just like it.

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fits right.

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Did you ever think that you would be going into massage school?

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Was that an aspiration?

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To work with celebrities or rock stars?

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It never even crossed my mind ever.

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I didn't even think I was going to get back on a tour with her.

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You know, it's so funny.

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We talk about, and I think I'm going to do a video at one point because, you know, at one
point, just before COVID started, December of 2019, I decided to close my clinic because I

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thought, okay, after 20, what, 27, 26 years,

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You have to decide which way you're going.

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Are you growing or which way you're gonna grow?

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Because there is, you can stay static.

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For me was, I didn't wanna bring in more therapists, I didn't wanna get larger space.

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I actually closed my clinic because I still love working with the clients one -on -one,
but I wanna focus more on public speaking, teaching, traveling.

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So my ultimate goal was travel, do what I love and make money.

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I did not think of that's gonna be me getting back onto a regenerate.

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It was just like so, I just put it out to universe.

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I had no idea how I was gonna come, but that's exactly what I'm doing now.

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Yeah, and that's just it.

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Like you can't, like when you're manifesting, right?

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If you had said, I want to go on tour with Janet Jackson, I mean, that's kind of a hard
thing for the universe to kind of create for you.

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But if you just throw it out there, you don't know what it's going to look like, right?

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And you just trust, trust that it's going to happen.

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And it did.

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And that's so exciting.

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That's the whole thing.

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know, when people put together every step, this is how I want my life to be, that's not
how it's gonna be.

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You know, isn't there a saying, I'm not a person, but I thought there was a saying when it
says, tell God your plan.

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how to make them laugh, tell them your plans.

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Yes, that's it.

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That's it.

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It's like, you know, it's funny.

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You just put it out to the universe and see what comes.

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Yeah, because you know life happens when we're busy making other plans and that's the
good, the bad, the indifferent.

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Like it just happens.

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There's so much out of our control.

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And being flexible, think that's part of it.

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Especially talk about flexibility, being on a tour when you're, you know, drop on a bus,
tour bus, maybe sometimes 10 hours, 14 hours.

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And then you get to a hotel, you have maybe two, three hours to rest.

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And then you're going to the venue show and then you're hopping on a bus.

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Things happen.

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You just have to be flexible.

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You can't just say, this is my schedule.

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There is no schedule.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So I just mentioned how there's so much that we don't have control over in our life.

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However, you are now, you are the founder of Last Stop for Pain.

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So folks, if you're having pain, that is something that you can control.

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Right?

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So tell us about that.

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Yeah.

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So, you know, a lot of times one of the things I truly get upset when I get clients and
they say, well, that's just my doctor said that's normal for your age, that pain.

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Because, you know, once you get into our 40s, 50s, things happen.

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You know, we don't function as we did in our 20s.

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No, you can bend over and your shoes and throw your back out.

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Seriously, I sneezed and I broke a rib from sneezing.

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I know it's sad.

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the other day I was I was laying in bed and I like reached back to grab something and I
pulled something and I was like, my God.

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And I just started cracking up because I'm like, I'm literally laying in bed and I reached
back and that's how, as you get older and I'm pushing 60 now.

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So it's like every day I'm like, okay, what's next?

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You know, it's so funny on a tour of making fun because the people, the core people that I
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it's like, this is the AARP crew.

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know, yeah, I almost got assigned and put it on our bus, the AARP bus.

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But, you know, when people, you know, have these chronic pains, they think that's

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That's their new way of life.

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And that really gets me annoyed because given the right circumstances, the body will heal
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It may take longer when you're in your 50s or 60s, you know, but just give the
opportunity.

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Unfortunately, you know, as you know, we are the society that we want everything
yesterday.

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And sometimes I have to tell my clients,

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I'm not Amazon.

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I cannot deliver overnight.

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It's a process.

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You you have to give opportunity for your body to go through the healing process.

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So when you're talking about pain prevention, what is the journey that you take your
clients through?

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So, you know, most of the time I see people that are in pain, but the ones once we get
them out of pain and then there's the maintenance and the prevention of getting into more

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pain.

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So most of the time prevention, we all know what to do.

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You gotta eat healthy.

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You gotta do some type of physical activity.

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I'm not saying go to the gym and pump weights, even just basic walking.

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Gotta keep the inflammation down.

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low -grade systemic inflammation so many people I see walking around with it they're not
even aware of it so these are the simple things and stress management that's it and it's

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not huge you don't have to spend hours doing it you you wake up in the morning maybe take
five minutes of doing some type of meditation there are so many free apps on your phone

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that you can do

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5 minute meditation or gratitude and then maybe do 5 minutes of when I'm making my latte I
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done

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Right.

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And they say that that's even more effective just to do those small bursts.

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Yeah, if you do like five minutes, maybe three, three, four, four times a day, it adds up.

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So depending what your goal is, but that's like the minimal thing and eating healthy,
know, we're so lucky to in America, we have so many choices.

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So much available for us.

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We can say that, this food or healthy food is not available.

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Unfortunately, sometimes healthy food could be more expensive.

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Like the salad is more expensive than a burger that you can do a drive through and buy it.

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but it's getting better and better.

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You know, just have to know where to look.

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So.

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So are there any techniques that you could share with the audience that people can do on
themselves to help reduce some pain?

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Yes.

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So, you know, I love doing unique, weird techniques.

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They're not my techniques.

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I've been fortunate enough come across some amazing doctors and practitioners that
dedicated their life creating these techniques.

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And I just started from them.

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But one of the things that I do on, I would say over 90 % of my clients that come to see
me doesn't matter what

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you come to see me for, I'm gonna check your jaw, your jaw, your tongue, because most of
the time they're gonna be tight.

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You may not even be aware of it.

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Just the other day I had a client came to see me for lower back pain.

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His jaw was so tight.

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So I put gloves on, went inside the mouth, released it, the jaw, the tongue, went back,
checked his lower back.

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It was so much better.

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and I haven't even done anything on his lower back just because of the TMJ and hips
connection.

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So one technique that and so many people, you know, clinch their jaw and grind their
teeth.

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So this simple technique will actually help loosen up your chewing mastication muscles.

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All you have to do is you put your thumb right behind your this jawbone mandible.

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If you cross it, you'll feel like a soft spot.

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right?

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Okay you put your thumb there you're not pressing it hard just a gentle pressure.

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Make sure to keep your head neutral don't tilt your head back.

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Now all I need you to do is press tip of your tongue to the roof of your mouth.

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Do feel how under your thumb becomes hard?

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You hold that for about 20 to 30 seconds.

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And what that does, it relaxes this here, your masseter.

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I mean, your, my God, I forgot the chewing muscles, your temporalis and your masseter.

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Yeah, your masseter and your temporalis muscles, it relaxes.

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So just doing that, it helps relax this.

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And sometimes I have the client and they can do it several times a day.

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I have a client who whenever she gets stressed, right away, she clenches her jaw and
tightens her neck.

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So this, I'm going to give you a combination of another technique that your audience can
do whenever you're a stressful situation, do this technique and it would help you because

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you know, when you get stressed, your neck kind of locks up.

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As you feel like stress coming up, you do this and as you're doing it, same time, turn
your head, your dominant head inside.

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So if you're right -handed, you turn your head to the right as you're doing that technique
and hold that for about 20, 30 seconds.

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If you're left -handed, turn to the left.

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What that does, it breaks the pattern of neck locking up.

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So that client that I taught her, said, Ani, since I've started doing that, my job does
not get tight.

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Yeah, that's a really cool technique.

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that is, that is.

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you know, because that's stress can cause so many physical issues that we don't even, you
know, and when you have compounded stress, right?

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When you're stressed for a period of time, it can just wreak havoc on your entire system.

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stress because you feel that's your norm.

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know, and the stress, you said, know, compounded stress can break down so many functions
in your body, or it can just put itself to certain muscles, certain joints, certain

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organs.

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Like it happened many times in my 30 years that I'm massaging a client and all of a sudden
I'm working in a tight area.

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they burst into tears.

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That was an emotional release.

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There was something that stopped there and it just got released.

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First time it happened to me, I got scared because it was a male client in his forties and
he started crying, like bawling his eyes out loud.

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And I was like freaking God, I'm like, what do I do now?

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I was like, this was my first few years of being a massage therapist.

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I was like,

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What the heck is going on?

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What did I do?

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But it's an amazing release when that happens.

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So tell us about the last stop for pain.

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that your, is that like, yeah, tell us about what that is.

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So last up for pain, know, it's my company name and what I love about it, it's not just
medical massage.

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I don't just do manual therapy because when you come to me, your body pain could be
outside of just muscular or structural.

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It could be because let's say you have digestive issues or you have constipation, which I
see so many people with lower back pain.

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due to constipation.

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Or people that in their 40s and 50s, they're still healthy, they're active, and they wanna
maintain their active and healthy lifestyle.

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Or people how we're, because we see it so much nowadays, neurodegenerative conditions,
that we don't wanna be, have any like Alzheimer's or Parkinson's or anything.

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you know, we're afraid what's gonna come when we're in our 70s and 80s.

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Because it's not about living longer, it's about having the quality of life.

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So for those people, you know, I incorporate functional nutrition and genetic testing and
analysis.

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So when you see me, it's not just manual therapy.

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That's why I love my company's name, Last Stop for Pain, because your pain could be coming

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because like I said your digestive issues or genetically you may be prone to having more
soft tissue injuries like knee injury or Achilles tendon injury or systemic inflammation.

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Well once we know that we can take preventative steps to say okay let's say genetically
I'm prone to gaining weight very easy which I am.

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OK, so knowing that, what can we do so it doesn't get to that point?

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OK, or if you're prone to, let's say one of my clients was that I didn't know he was
taking blood pressure medication and knowing it is genetic report, I asked him, like,

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you're not taking any blood pressure medication, are you?

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He goes, I am like, doesn't it make you dizzy because he had specific genes?

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that taking blood pressure medication will make him dizzy.

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He goes, do you know how many different meds my doctor had to try until we found one that
didn't make me dizzy?

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Yeah, it's fascinating.

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It's, I love it.

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It's just like kid in a candy store.

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There's like so much information you can learn from our DNA, our genetics that...

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we can utilize it in our everyday life.

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So why don't doctors utilize those types of tests?

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Are they just not familiar with that, or how come that has not been incorporated as of
yet?

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it's, you know, our mainstream medicine, it's not there yet.

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And, you know, I say our medical system is unfortunately is kind of like a conveyor belt
is run.

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You you have the symptoms that equals diagnosis, that equals medication.

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And that's how it works.

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I see it every time I take my mom to her doctor.

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She's like, she has this, this, OK, this medication.

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And it amazes me.

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But the good news is so many doctors are realizing that it's not working.

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And so they're converting into some doctors that I know of or my clients go to, you know,
they're more open to.

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They are utilizing the genetic testing or even utilizing other means of, you know, let's
say PRP or

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platelet -rich plasma injections or plasma stem cell injections.

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Just yesterday I got a PRP on my knee because almost a year ago I tore my medial meniscus
and I'm not a candidate for surgery which is good I wouldn't even do but you know came to

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a point after my cold lasers and my

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a PMF machine stuff but I'm like okay I'm at the point that I need to do PRP so yesterday
I went and I got a PRP injection in my knee which helps it's my own body it's my own

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platelets helps heal the joint and I've had clients had such good success instead of going
through knee replacement with several PRP injections and stem cell injections they're

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doing so much better

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I don't do them.

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go get it.

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That's done by doctors.

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So, but it's, it's available.

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You know, these things are available.

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They're out there and hopefully eventually they will become part of our regular mainstream
medical practice.

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Yeah, we hope so.

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And really, I think that in today's world, especially here in the United States, I don't
know what it's like in other countries, but you really do have to be your own advocate for

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your care and look into other modalities and maybe not trust the first diagnosis.

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Are there any other treatments besides taking this pill?

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Exactly.

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And you know, it's so funny.

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I have some clients before they go see their doctors, they do see me and they're like,
Annie, what questions do I ask?

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So I even just the other day, clients sent me her blood work and she's going to, I think
this Friday, I'm like, okay, ask this, this, questions, ask them to test this things.

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They're like, yeah, but my doctor won't.

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I'm like, you're the patient, insist on it.

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It's your insurance.

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You're the patient.

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You insist on it.

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Unfortunately, a lot of times the patients don't know what questions to ask and the
doctors are so busy that, you know, they spend what, maybe five minutes with you.

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If you don't know what questions to ask, then you're not going to get the answers you
need.

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So yes, educating and being your own advocate is so important.

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I love it.

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This has been such a great conversation.

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Is there anything else that I haven't talked about that you'd like to share with the
audience before we wrap up?

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Have I mentioned that I'm single and available?

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No, you haven't mentioned that, but folks...

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I do.

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Sorry.

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my God.

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No, you know, I always say, you know, a lot of times when people think of living healthy,
living pain free to them, it's like all or nothing approach.

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And my, when I do my talks, it's like, just pick one thing, what one thing you're going to
do today and start there.

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Don't overwhelm yourself that, my God, I got to eat healthy.

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and I gotta exercise and I have to do this stress management thing and I don't have time
to do all that.

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So I'll just start tomorrow or I'll start when I have the time.

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Forget that.

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Just pick one thing.

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The smallest change you can make in your life today.

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What's that one change is going to be for you?

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That's it and start there.

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Yeah, because if you try to do it all, are you're setting yourself up for failure.

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And we've done it.

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You know how many times we forced ourselves to be on this diet for like three days a week,
maybe we sucked it up for a month, but then you cannot maintain it.

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No, Small steps for sure.

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And it's a practice like anything else, right?

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I always say, just like happiness, happiness is a practice.

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Everything we do.

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Yeah.

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So Annie, where could people get a hold of you if they want to get more information about
you?

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Yeah, so more of my website laststopforpain .com and if it's okay, I don't know.

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I think I put it in a show notes.

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If not, I can send it to you.

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It's a free gift that I would like to give to your people.

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It's fivebodypainhacks .com where they can get for the, once they sign up, they get next
five days.

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It's very short videos of techniques for neck pain, back pain.

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lymphatic drainage, diaphragm release, they get all these unique techniques videos that
they can learn, use it themselves, and even teach family member or a friend.

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I love that.

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What is the name of that site again?

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And I'll make sure it's in the show notes.

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5bodypainhacks .com.

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I'll email it to you for sure.

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Great.

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And it'll be in the show notes as well.

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So folks, thank you so much, Annie.

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Thank you everybody for listening today.

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Hope you continue with your journey and good luck for the rest of your tour.

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That's right, because you're going to Europe.

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Of course.

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and thanks to your audience.

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All right, thank you and thank you everyone for listening today.