339. Courage in the Face of Cerebral Palsy: Johnathan Aubrey’s Inspiring Story

Hey there, I'm Sandee Sgarlata and welcome to the Happiness Solved podcast. Twice a week, we explore the journey to finding true happiness by sharing inspiring stories, practical tips, and insightful conversations with some of today's leading experts. But we don't just scratch the surface. We dive deep into the real grit of what it takes to live a genuinely happy life.

Whether you're looking to improve your wellbeing, enhance your relationships, or simply add more joy to your life. You're in the right place. So grab your favorite beverage, get comfortable, and let's dive into today's episode. Because happiness is a choice, and the choice is yours.  John Aubrey, such a pleasure to have you on my show today.

Thank you so much for being here. How are you?  Great, great. How are you, Sandee? It's a pleasure to be here. Oh, thank you. I love your hat. For those that are just listening, John has this awesome cowboy hat on. It looks incredible.  So for the audience, um, we're talking to John Aubrey or Jonathan. Don't know. I guess your, your, your published name is Jonathan, but you go by John. 

So for the audience, um, as an infant, John underwent the first of numerous operations to help his physical health as he was born with cerebral palsy. Although cerebral palsy has presented challenges. For Jonathan. He, he hasn't let it li it limit him what he can accomplish.  Um,  and as a matter of fact, you have here on your bio that you remained optimistic and motivated to help others bring out those, bring who strives to bring those traits out in others.

Sorry for fumb. Stumbling over my words like that.  . But you have a book, your first book. Am I different? Yes.  Wow.  I tell you, not only do you have so much courage, but you're going to really change the world here with what you're doing. It's really incredible. So thank you. Thank you for showing up. Oh, thank you.

And doing this. Yeah. Thank you. Yes. 

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So tell me,  Tell me about your story. And I mean, obviously you, you've, um,  you, you have differences, but you see those, um, as opportunities for growth. And I love that. I love that. But why was it that you decided that you wanted to write a book and be a motivational speaker? Like, what is it inside of you that, that wants to, to bring this out to the world? 

Well, that's a phenomenal question. I've always wanted to be involved in the motivational and in improving others. Um,  and honestly, really, truly, just like everyone else, I've been the biggest chicken for the longest time.  Why do you say that? Why do you say that? So, so, I, I, I dabbled in it right after college back in 04. 

I've, I've been speaking here and there, um, on and off again all the time. Um, I, I didn't know how I could  make a living off of it. Not that that's the important factor, but everyone has to live. And I just,  I wanted to be involved but I, right after college I got a job as a loan officer and then in 07 when the crash happened I decided to make a change and I became a real estate agent. 

Um, so, so not, it still involved the crash, I don't know. Other than I wanted to own rental properties, and I do, um,  I mean,  even back then I knew I wanted to be involved in motivational speaking.  Um, so after getting my license in O. A.  O. A. was  Oh, it was a phenomenal year for me. The government had stacked the cards in my favor. 

Well, good for you.  And because they were paying first time homebuyers 8, 000 tax credit when they bought the house. And I just graduated college, so I said, well, I'll help a lot of people. buddies come buy a house and they got eight thousand dollars and I made more that year than, than my dad had ever made in a full year. 

Wow. And so, and so that was, that was phenomenal.  After I had helped, it took more than a year, but in 2011,  I finally decide what the heck am I doing? I'm renting and I'm telling people they should buy houses.  So at the age of  32,  I finally decided and bought a townhome. And when I wrote that purchase agreement, I'd already written several. 

That was the only one that my hand shook when I wrote it. Yeah, that's awesome. And so, growing up, growing up, um, there are people that were a lot poorer than my family, but my family wasn't wealthy either. We lived in rentals the majority of my childhood,  and it wasn't uncommon. Bye bye. For our church group to pay for her rent. 

Okay. And to, uh, provide food for us as well.  And so, and so I was, uh, according to my wife, I was poor. But I know there are people that have had it far worse than I've had. So, so when I bought that townhome, it was absolutely phenomenal. Oh. Oh. From that standpoint,  Yet at the same time, there was nothing more I wanted since a young age in my childhood than to be a husband and a father.

Uh huh. And so when I moved into that townhome all by myself, no wife, no kids, It was actually devastating because I no longer  pictured  the deck of cards or life  as being stacked in my favor. I begun  to think that my god or my maker, however you want to view that, had  cursed me. with cerebral palsy and that's why I wasn't married. 

Yeah.  Yeah. And how silly is that thought? But, but,  but I wanted some excuse  to, to provide a reason so I could be grouchy. Oh my goodness, was I grouchy and lousy three years. For three years, yeah. Yeah.  Oh, man. And I, I was, I, I was trying to figure things out. I was learning. I was growing. My, my, uh, one of my favorite, uh, role models  at the time actually has the number one recognizable face. 

My role model does. Um, but his name is Colonel Sanders. Okay.  So, so, so people are, when I said number one recognizable face, a lot of people might have thought Jesus Christ. And well, yeah, he's actually number two and I love him a lot.  Colonel Sanders, the founder of KFC. Yeah. Um,  Muslims, Hindus,  Buddhists,  everyone recognizes him.

Because they're all over the world. Yeah, they're all, yeah, absolutely.  And the reason he was a role model for me  is that At the age of sixty something, I don't remember the age, it may have been two or five, but it's up there around when most people want to retire.  All he had was a recipe for chicken,  a station wagon,  And a social, monthly social security  check which equated in today's dollars around 600 a month.

Not much to go on. Yeah.  And so he drove all around the country  pitching his idea and his recipe, doing demonstrations and asking people if they would fund his restaurant.  Are you,  are you familiar with how many people he asked? No, I have no idea. I do know that he started late in life, but I don't know some of the details of the story. 

Yeah, so it blows my mind. I don't know how he did ever quit. He asked 1,  010,  because 1, 009 people told him no. Wow.  And so the reason he was my mentor is because I'm a, oh my goodness, if he can do that, I can keep asking girls. That's not a problem. I know I haven't gotten that many.  I went on lots of dates.

I just, I never got more than four dates  with one gal.  There's so, um, I'm like, yeah, this ain't a problem. I can't do that. And one of these days, I'm sure some girl is gonna figure out that I'm a lot better than Buckeye Cassie.  Well,  that certainly shows a lot of determination. And you're right,  right? It is a numbers game if you think about it. 

Right. Oh, absolutely. Well, the interesting thing here is I, I, so, so, when I was in that predicament, I thought that my cerebral palsy was a curse.  And, and, and  to be honest, because of that, even though I hadn't lost complete hope, um, the hope was dwindling because I allowed,  um, I allowed myself to take on some bad habits, one of which was my sleeping pattern, among other things.

And, and I guarantee ya. Someone who with bad Abbot is, is less attractive than someone without. So, so I mean, I had, I had things I had to work on. I had things I had to do and, and, um, I, I went to Tony Robbin seminars.  I, I,  um, b before this,  before I thought the cards were stacked against me.  I studied from spiritual texts daily. 

Once I thought my maker cursed me, it was a little hard to decide to  read spiritual texts.  But I  still did occasionally, and thank goodness I did. Because there's a certain passage I read that I'll share with you  that completely  180 changed  my thoughts and my thinking.  And because of that changed my actions and what I do and what I did.

And ultimately how people reacted to me because of what I was putting out. Yeah.  Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, so  if, if you're alright, I'll share the text with you. Yeah, please do. Yeah. I would love that, yes. So, so the text reads, And if men come unto me, I will show unto them their weakness. I give unto men weakness, that they may be humble.

My grace is sufficient for all men, the humble and sensible for me.  For if they humble themselves before me, and have faith in me, then will I make weak things become strong unto them. 

This text in itself is very powerful, and those that are familiar with it.  The majority of them love the last line, which says, then will I make weak things become strong unto them? And I love it too,  but what really changed and fixed me  was the second line, where it says, I  give unto men weakness that they may be humble. 

So, so the I is, is God  and who is a divine individual and, and give is gift.  So, so even though our, our weaknesses may be painful at times, they are a divine gift  and part of my human experience, which is what our weakness is. Because we're not perfect individuals. Right. No, we are not.  But everyone's weakness is different.

Some people have diabetes, some have cancer, so it's different for everyone. Yep. Mine just happens to be cerebral palsy divinely picked out and given to me.  That's right. Do you now see it as a, do you now see it as a gift?  Oh, absolutely. Well, and that's, that's why I named my company Winning Despite Obstacles.

Right. Winning Despite Obstacles. Yes. Absolutely. And the book you referred to, Am I Different? So, so once I, I got this message.  I started speaking on Winning Despite Obstacles, Real Estate Offices, Title Offices, Mortgage Offices, Co Company Schools Organizations, and the book Am I Different? was my signature story that I would share. 

Which as, as a child with cerebral palsy,  at the age of seven I was in a bicycle accident.  Um, my parents decided they wanted to protect me from pain.  Which,  is a futile cause.  Right.  Because I mean there are lots of grouchy people that tell you life is pain. I, I don't agree with that philosophy, but there's no way to avoid pain in life. 

No, there is not.  Everybody has pain. Yeah. And so to protect me from the pain, they took away my bicycle. Um,  It wasn't, I don't know that it was expressed,  but I thought the message was,  because you have cerebral palsy, you will never learn to ride a bike.  And so as long as I had that crappy mindset, it was true.

Um, my, my  brothers and sisters on the 2nd of 6th. All our friends, we all love playing tag, and we played tag often.  And of course, anytime anyone was tired of being hit,  they'd tag me.  And so anytime I  was taking longer than  I had energy for to tag someone,  I got wore out. Oh my gosh, chasing those kids around. 

So every once in a while I'd call the time out.  When I did,  we would either my siblings or my friends, there were bikes around on the ground. So I'd pick up a bike, I'd sit down and I'd try it out for about five or 10 minutes,  but I didn't have a dream.  that would give me enough effort  that it would take to accomplish the task. 

So, of course, at the end of five to ten minutes, I wouldn't know how to ride a bike. I'd  hop back off, and because of my crappy mindset, I'd say, See, people with Cerebral Palsy can't ride a bike. Yeah, so you were, you started telling yourself stories.  Yeah. That you weren't capable of doing things. Yeah. And we all do.

Yeah. We all do. Uh huh.  So, I mean, uh, and at the age of 13,  um,  I'd ask my brother, my younger brother, where are you going? He'd say, oh, me and my friends, we're riding our bikes to the public pool, see you later.  And so I couldn't go with them, and I wasn't going to walk to the public pool because, well, they're done by the time I get there.

Right. And so I was,  I played video games all alone, and that was lonely and became boring.  And I finally said, forget this, I'm going to learn to ride a bike. And it took me  I grabbed one of my brother's bikes and I tried it out for a full day. And at the end of the day, nothing.  And the next day I got up, I said, well, what else am I going to do? 

I got back to it, and in about an hour and a half,  I had both feet on the pedals, I was going.  And I'm all, holy crap, how do I stop this thing? And I forgot all you gotta do is pedal backwards. So I put both of my feet on the ground and the bike had momentum and so it kept going  and I had momentum too and I didn't think to take a step forward.

So.  I fell flat on my face. Oh no.  And then I jumped up. I started jumping up and down. I did it. I did it. I rode a bike.  And then I went and grabbed the bike and I hopped back on it and I rode it the length of our front yard.  And then I stopped.  And then before you knew it, I was riding a bike everywhere. 

But not to the public pool,  even though,  even though that public pool was what gave me the dream and the motivation  to want to ride a bike to put in the effort.  So,  based on that story,  What would you tell people that are facing a challenge that feels too, too big?  What do you have to say to them? 

So, that was my signature story. I'd share that with the crowd. And afterwards, I'd ask everyone, uh, raise your hand if you find that, to me, motivational.  And the majority of the time, almost all of them, almost all of them would raise their hand.  And so then I would ask them,  Who do you know  in your life, mother, father, aunt, uncle, child, nephew, niece, who do you know that is just absolutely amazing to you? 

And I'd be, um,  if you can think of someone, please raise your hand, and I always get 5 to 10 people raise their hand and ask them some questions about that individual.  And what I learned through those conversations and the whole reason I shared that story is there is a formula  for being inspirational. 

And if, if, um, in both of the stories I've shared, learning to ride my bike and not being able to be married,  I thought the cards were stacked against me.  Right.  And what I have come to learn, and is absolutely true, even that scripture passage  I read,  Manifest that the cards are absolutely staffed,  because here, here's the five things. 

Um,  number one,  there was a relationship with someone.  Number two, that person  had something,  had an obstacle, a challenge, a disability, they had something that was out of the norm.  Number three,  they overcame that  and or was dealing with life in a very  positive manner anyway. 

Uh, and  That's number three. Number four, it was the,  the  four or five weren't always present in the conversation, but more often than not they were.  And number four, what was the, they had a positive outlook on life  and was generally happy.  And number five, was that they like to help and make a difference to others.

Right.  And so anytime you have those five elements,  then you're inspirational.  So, so, so the question is, what would I share? Well, there isn't any, and lots of people think they're the absolutely only one with that condition.  Up until recently, I could tell you all by counting on my hand, the number of other people I've ever met in my whole life with cerebral palsy. 

And until I went to college, the number was like two of them.  Um, but, but, but now, now I'm meeting them all the time because of the message I'm sharing. And there's one that just lives up the street from me, and his wheelchair bound and can't talk. And so, I mean, it's different for everyone. But, but to think we're all alone in our situation is, is, is absolutely not true.

It's just going to create a debilitating mindset as to what's going to do.  Yeah, exactly.  And I understand. I've been there. Mm hmm. I've been there.  So, so what the truth ultimately is, is everyone, everyone, they may not have your challenge, but everyone has an obstacle, a challenge, a disability, something.

Everyone has something in life  that is going to allow them to choose.  Am I going to be a victim?  and repel people from me?  Or am I going to overcome this and be inspiring to everyone around me? And so the deck is absolutely  stacked every time, and it's  stacked  to let us figure out who we want to be and who we want to become.

and how we want to shape the world around us. Are we going to be a victim or are we going to be inspirational? Right.  I love that.  Love it.  Because that's really what it comes down to.  We have a choice every single day, right? Every minute of every day, you have a choice. Right, right. Well, well, and I mentioned I want nothing more than to be a husband and a father. 

And up  until I read that passage and started speaking on winning despite obstacles,  My dating career started at the age of 17,  so from  17 to 35,  I went on lots of dates because of who my mentor was, Colonel Sanders.  But I had only been asked out twice.  Once I started speaking on winning despite obstacles from the age of 35 to 36,  something had obviously changed.

I got asked out four times that year.  Awesome. I love it. I love it. Yeah, it was.  And, and, um,  at the age of 36, about one year from when I read that passage,  I had another unique experience we'll have  time to go into, but it challenged me to ask the question,  Who could be absolutely amazing? I just haven't taken the time to get to know them. 

And it wasn't who's the most attractive girl. I'd already been asking that question for years.  Not that my wife isn't attractive. She's amazing.  Um, but from that question, the first name that came to my mind, I'm like, oh my goodness, now I gotta ask her out.  And that phone call was the hardest phone call I ever made, because what if it goes somewhere? 

Do I really deserve this? I don't know. And a whole host of other  questions, but thank goodness I made that phone call because one year later we got married. 

And it wasn't the easiest courtship ride either. We had our ups and downs. We had a separation. We were separated for A period of time when we came back together,  but, but, but when, when you decide to stack the cards in your favor,  eventually, it's magic every time. Yeah, for sure. And, and, and, and my, my,  my wife and I is not in the natural deck of cards  for us to have kids.

Okay.  We enjoyed trying, it just, it's not that. And, uh,  so, so, so, 

we decided,  and it was a very long and  hard conversation.  But we finally decided we were going to do foster care.  Oh, okay. Nice. Yes.  And of course, that has its extra challenges, but having kids naturally has challenges. That's right. It  doesn't matter if you're a parent's a parent, you know, you're,  yeah.  Uh, yeah.

I mean, the only real difference is when you have your own kids. They say, I wish you weren't my mom or dad.  That's what your kids say. The foster kids, they look at me and they say, you're not my dad.  And I look at them and I say, you know what? You're right.  You also know I treat you as if you were.  Yeah, we all are.

And so, um, we, we had two, two foster boys that were in our house for, for about nine months.  And,  and at times it was really challenges challenging, but at other times, and I drove them to school and back home. That was my job. And, and so I, I, and I took them to the doctors and so I took care of them quite a bit.

I got quite a bit attached to them. The, the foster care program is.  Phenomenal. The goal is reunification. Yes. Yeah, always. Yeah.  So, so the goal is to have the parents restack their cards so they can find out how to win in life. And I love that. That's phenomenal.  So when I got the phone call saying that it was time for, for these, you know, to kids to go back to their bio parents.

That was a hard phone call. Sure.  Good, because now I'm being told that the deck isn't stacked right and I don't get to be a father anymore. I could have told myself that.  And their belongings, they didn't have, Yeah.  It wasn't too heavy, but oh my goodness, packing that car was one of the heaviest things I've ever done.

Yeah,  I'm sure.  And the next day when I drove to work, it was the same route as when I drive up to school. And so I was going the exact same route, and anytime they'd see a yellow car, they'd yell, Bingo, yellow car. And so I saw a yellow car.  And  I said, I just start bawling. Aww. Yeah. Yeah. And then, um, at my office, it was phenomenal.

First thing we do in the morning is we, we listen to some good music.  of, uh, um, inspirational music, we write down ten things we're grateful for,  and ten things, ten goals, ten things we want to do, accomplish,  that kind of thing.  That's a great practice to have every day.  Yeah. So, so I was, I was writing down  that I was grateful for those boys and, and I was writing down what those boys taught me and what I learned. 

It was a hard day.  It was a real hard day.  And we usually share our gratitudes.  And so I shared with them, I said,  Instead of being a hard day today, I'm gonna make it a learning day. I'm gonna, it's, it's not, it's not gonna be a, I don't know if I can say it'll be a fun thing, but instead of making a hard day, I, I want to make it a learning day. 

What have I learned? What have I gained  from this experience?  And that, that was helpful. The, the beautiful thing is that was on Tuesday. On, on that Friday, we were able to take out  the whole family, the two kids, their sibling, a parent,  and go out to dinner. Nice. And I got to find out that the parents still wanted us to be involved.

Oh.  So we still have a relationship. They spent Christmas Eve, a little bit, time at our house. Um, they spent the 5th of July at our house and I've litten our fireworks bigger than I've ever lit off before. And it was just,  if we look for the cards to be stacked against us, it's going to amplify our pain.

Thank you. That's right. But if we look to see how we can stack it in our favor,  it's magic every time it, I'm not saying the pain doesn't happen, but it can diminish it. After taking that family out to dinner on Friday, I was on cloud nine for a month,  and I couldn't wait to find the next time I was going to get back with them.

Yeah,  I love it. And I love folks, and I hope, I hope you're, you're getting that, what he's talking about with the, and, and for those of you who are only listening to this and not watching the video,  John also keeps showing a deck of cards and that's such a great, um, anchor to think about folks, you know, having that deck of cards because that's really life. 

And, uh, you can either look at, it's like looking at the glass half empty or half full, right?  Right. Well,  the thing is, is if we can ask ourselves, how is the deck stacked in my favor? Right. It's not always going to be visible right away. I am very lucky that with when those boys left,  it only took until Friday to find the answer on that one.

Yeah, exactly. But, but when, when, when, when I thought God had cursed me with cerebral  palsy, it took me three years to find that. Right.  But part of the reason why it took me three years  is because I hadn't learned the importance of saying, all right, God,  then you have a present for me in this somewhere.

How is the deck stacked in my favor?  How is the blessing going to show up? And  whether it does right away, or in a week, or a month, or even three years, doesn't matter if we can trust  that it will and trust our divine maker that he will bring it about. It is magical every single time it does, and It wipes out everything we thought we were missing. 

My wife, oh my goodness, someone that can look.  love me, knowing all my mistakes and all my foibles, and has been with me for, for almost nine years now? 

Who, who cares that I was single until I was 37?  Exactly. Yeah.  Doesn't matter.  Actually, actually, I have friends that were single until they were in their 50s.  Right.  Doesn't matter. Right?  Right. Oh, yeah.  Um, it's You just figured it out. You figured it out before they did.  Well, it's challenging when you're going through it, for sure. 

Um, uh, and honestly, part of the reason why I figured it out quicker, uh, the last line says, then will I make weak things become strong unto them. So once I was willing  to receive the divine gift, 

that's when he's all, okay, I got more gifts for you.  Let me give you this situation. You may not like it, but it's going to get you to ask who could be absolutely amazing. You just haven't gotten the time to know them.  Yeah. And it will get you to ask out  who you're going to marry.  I get it. The experience that got me asked that question.

was not the funnest experience. It wasn't super horrible and it didn't last but a couple weeks. But  it gave me one of the best blessings of my life ever.  The quicker we receive gifts,  the quicker we get the real one.  That's right.  Yeah, and it is about being open to receive, because if you're not open to receiving it, it's, it's not going to happen, or it may take a long time,  if ever.

Right, right, well, and there's another spiritual text I wish I had at top of mind, like I do this one,  the gist of it, It is, is, if, if  the, um,  receiver does not receive the gift,  where is the joy in the gift or in the giver?  Yeah.  And so basically, if, if,  if God has a gift for you and you don't want to receive it,  the, the, the, the, and here's a.

then our maker's ability to give more is being lost.  Right. Wow.  This has been such an amazing conversation, John. And, um, I absolutely love what you're doing. And I love  that you're  showing up as a gift for so many others, really. You, you've been a gift and a blessing for me today.  And, and thank you for showing up for my audience because  That's what this show is all about, right? 

It's all about, you can overcome your challenges and you can accomplish things, you know. If you didn't, if you didn't have that desire to drive that, ride that bike to the pool, you know, that was, that was a big turning point in your life, right? Oh, absolutely. Well, absolutely, absolutely. And that alone speaks volumes about the importance of dreams and wishes.

Yes. 

The reason I say that is, is if I didn't have that dream and the wish, I would never had enough motivation  to do the hard thing of learning how to ride the bike. And it's honestly Well, it was a lot harder than it is for most people. Um, a friend of ours asked us if I teach their, their  child how to learn to ride a bike.

And she learned, I'm not, in like five minutes, where it took me over a day. But how much of a joy it was for that girl anyway, and in turn how much it was for me. Yeah. Because I never had the opportunity as a father,  now for a child, to learn to ride the bucket. And it was amazing.  So, so, so,  um, I know we're probably getting ready to wrap up. 

Um, when, when I said the deck is stacked and it's, it's to figure out whether we're gonna become a victim or become inspirational,  I really truly believe that  that message is also part of my divine gift.  Yeah.  Um, uh,  I mean it's not. So that I can be someone uber amazing, cause I'm not. I just, I was willing to humble myself,  forgive my maker, accept the truth,  and accept that he loves me more than  I ever even knew. 

And because of that, he gave me a divine message. To share and bless the lives of others  and, and ultimately point people back, back to, back to God. Yeah.  Cause, cause He, He  is the one that heals and cures and fixes  everything if we let Him. It's that receiving. Yes. Yes, yes. It's, it's already there. You just have to be open to receive it. 

Yeah,  yeah, yeah. Yeah, I love it. All right, John. So, folks, um, please check out John's book called Am I Different? and go to his website, which is winningdespiteobstacles.  com and all of that will be in the show notes as well. So, John, thank you so much. Thank you for what you're doing  and, uh,  just, just go for it.

You know, you've got lives to change.  Absolutely. Down the road, there will be bike tours. Oh, nice.  And, like, I'm going to do one next spring from Logan to St. George. Oh, wow. And that is just a preparation  to figure out all the details I gotta work out so I can do one. From, from from Oregon to Virginia. Oh, wow. 

So, so, so, I mean, who, who knows, maybe you'll wanna have me back and we'll, we'll talk about, uh, about um,  how, how to make it easier  to wanna do hard things and to accomplish those. Would love that. And what part of Virginia are you planning to finish up in? Do you know?  Um,  well, well, honestly, I wanted to go to New York, um, but there is a bike trail, and I don't have to worry about cars that goes, and, and, and I don't, I need to look into more details on that, but they've taken one of the old Old railroad.

It's the W O N D. It's two miles from my house because I live in Virginia.  Oh, well, yeah. Yeah,  yeah. So please keep in touch with me because I wanted, you know,  if anything, I will meet you in person and we can have an in person interview.  How's that?  Absolutely, for sure. Yeah. We'll do it in person because I, I, I've only talked about it a little bit, but I'm launching a new television show, which will also be dropped as a podcast.

And it's called Peak Performance Playbook.  Awesome. Well, well, yeah.  So we'll have you on that. We'll have you on that show.  Cool. Awesome. Yeah. Sounds like we definitely have to stay in touch. Um, we'll have to get your, your info from my PR gal. Yeah, definitely.  All right, John, thank you so much. And I, yeah, I look forward to meeting you in person when you do your, your bike tour.

That sounds incredible.  Yeah. Have a good one. All right. You too. Thanks everyone. Yep. Bye.