333. Pursuing Your Potential: A Path to Personal and Professional Growth with Molly Gimmel

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Molly, such a pleasure to be seeing you again. And for those who are watching this on YouTube, she's got this beautiful background of fish and it's just. I love it. Thank you. Good to see you, too.

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Being by the water is my happy place, so I figured I'd put it on my background. Love it, love it, love it, love it. So Molly Gimmel is an award winning entrepreneur, author, advocate and coach. She's actually more of like a powerhouse. But I understand you probably wrote that and you're not going to, you know, and I'm a powerhouse, but she really is.

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She's really a powerhouse for women. She has over 20 years of experience running her own multi million dollar company, as well as leadership positions. National association of Women Business Owners. She was a delegate for the US on the w 20, which you can explain that because I didn't know about it. But what I love is that she's just so passionate about women's issues.

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And she even published a book called Master your how women leaders step up. So it's such a great. We've spent a little bit of time together. You had me as your guest at the National association of Women Business Owners. Loved that.

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And I am looking to join that organization because there's local, for those listening, there's probably a local chapter in your area. We're in the DC metro area. So. Yeah. So excited to have you here.

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So let's start out by. Let's just talk a little bit about how you got into this because I know you also have a company where it's just really focused on leadership. Yes. So how did your journey evolve over the last 20 plus years? Well, in 2001, I was working for one of the large consulting firms in their government practice and wasn't happy and so started talking to one of my coworkers and we decided to leave and start our own company.

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And so on Monday, September 10, 2001, we. Oh, boy. Notice and filed our incorporation papers.

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And the next day, the whole world changed, as you can imagine. But we had already quit. So we said, well, I guess we're making this happen. So we started our business. Wow.

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Yeah. I'll never forget that. Simply because my son turned one on September 12, 2001. And so it was a very, very scary time for so many people on so many levels and, yeah, just starting a company. Yeah.

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So we started our company in the middle of all that craziness. I had never been an entrepreneur before. I mean, I had, you know, when I was in high school, I sold those barrettes with the braided ribbons and stuff like that with a friend, but. Right. But aside from that, I had never really run a real company before.

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So I figured I needed to learn more about what it means to grow a company and run a company. So I joined Nava, which is the national association of Women Business Owners, the DC chapter. And mostly I joined for the education aspects of it because they were putting on regular workshops about how you do all these things, about running companies. And as I got more involved, I realized that there was so much more to the organization. And one of the big aspects of the organization is advocacy, meaning advocating for women business owners with legislators, both at the state and at the national level.

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So my Navo journey started back then, and I got more involved in our local DC chapter. I was on the chapter board for several years. I served as chapter president, and then I got involved at the national level after my chapter presidency year ended and ended up spending six years on the national board, including one year as chair of the national board. So got very active and involved in Nalbo's advocacy efforts on behalf of women business owners. And that's really what got me into the whole advocacy and active activities or advocate activities on behalf of women.

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Love it. Love it. And then you were a delegate for the United States on the W 20. You explained that to me before we hit record. Can you explain it to the audience?

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Yes. So most people have heard of the G 20, which is the organization of the 20 governments, the 20 countries that have. That are the largest in the world. The G 20 meets every year all over the world at different countries, depending on who's hosting it that year, and collectively works on different policy issues that they want to promote. Each G 20 group has several task forces or working groups that advise them on what those policy issues should be.

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And one of those working groups is the W 20, which stands for women 20. So every year, women from all 20 countries get together and depending on what issues the host country has designated as the key issues. That year we put together policy recommendations for the G 20 government representatives having to do with our topic of concern. And in the women school group, the W 20. Entrepreneurship is always one of those topics, women's entrepreneurship.

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So I was originally asked to join the W 20 a few years ago. I think in 2020 because of my experience working for Navo and advocating on behalf of women business owners. And a lot of my activities within NAbo has made me an expert on women's entrepreneurship and not just entrepreneurship, but specifically scaling and growing businesses. So I have served on the W 20 for the last few years in that capacity. Nice.

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What are some of the important life lessons and lessons for business that you learned while serving on that role? Oh, wow.

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One big one. I think especially that a lot of women struggle with is getting past imposter syndrome.

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When I was first asked to serve in this role, I was like, seriously? You want me representing my country in this international forum? That's very influential. And I really didn't think I was qualified, but the person who's the co chair of the us delegation said, yes, I need you. You are an expert in this area and I need your expertise.

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So. Okay. And this is a woman who I respect and trust. And so if she says it, it must be true. Get over myself and do it.

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But I think a lot of women let that hold them back. So that's a big. Oh, my gosh. I've learned it's huge. Huge.

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So what did you. And I had no idea we were going to talk about imposter syndrome, but let's just go with it because it is such a big thing that, I mean, I would say I probably deal with that at some level, almost on a daily basis, because it's our ego. Right? Our ego is trying to protect us. Yeah.

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And it's telling you you're not good enough. Who are you to do this? Because it doesn't want you to fail. Like, it thinks it's helping you, and at the same time, it's not serving you. Right.

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And also because we've always been told from the time we were little girls, you know, you can't brag, you can't boast, don't think too highly of yourself. You know, you've got to be humble, blah, blah, blah. Because you'll be conceited. That was exactly. You don't want to be called conceited.

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Right. Yeah. Yeah. So it's difficult to, you know, get that voice in your head to turn around and stop telling you, oh, no, you're not good enough. You're not ready for this.

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You're not qualified. And to start. To get it, to start saying, yes, you can do this. Yeah, yeah. And I love that you had the person that recommended you and you asked that real important question, well, if she thinks it's true, then it must be right.

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Because that's what I say to myself. I just pose, is it true? No, it's not true. Is it true? No, it's not true.

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Yeah. And it's always amazing to me how often it shows up for sure. And you're like, where is this coming from? Yeah. And as women entrepreneurs, we always have to be pushing ourselves.

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We absolutely do. And grow and, you know, have that growth mindset. And so it's no surprise that it probably happens more often than not with entrepreneurs, because it's, it's one of the most difficult things, as I'm sure you know. Right. Because being an entrepreneur is about stepping out of your comfort zone.

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Yeah. And so many people, that's why so many people don't become entrepreneurs, because they're too afraid to step out of their comfort zone. Yeah. That's what makes things happen. That's what makes life exciting and interesting is always trying new things.

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Yeah. Yeah. So what do you do when that pops up? Like, what type of dialogue do you have to help shift that mindset? One thing that I do is, well, like I said, I thought to myself, well, if she recommended me, if she thinks I'm qualified, then I must be, because I respect her and I know how smart she is.

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Another thing I do is I look around at the other people involved and I say, are they really smarter than me? Good one. Yes. Are they really more experienced than me? Do they have some kind of expertise that I don't?

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Well, no, not really. I have just as much experience as they do. I'm just as smart as they are. So if they can be here, then I, I must be able to be here. Yeah.

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I love it. Oh, that's such, that's such great wisdom, Molly, because it really is. And, you know, there's a time and place to hire people that are smarter than you for certain things that you're doing. Absolutely. You know, I have, I bring on probably a different coach every year, and they each serve different purposes, you know, and I usually work with somebody for one year, and at the end of that time, you know, I'm like, okay, now let's go on.

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You know, because they each serve different purposes in your life, in different seasons of your life, and. But, yeah, I love that because, yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean, absolutely. There are certain, absolutely certain circumstances where you want to bring in somebody else that has certain expertise that you don't have. I mean, I know about myself.

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I am nothing an expert in the financial markets. So if someone investing questions, I'm going to send them somewhere else. You know, if someone asked me to be appointed to a panel or, you know, speak on a topic of investing in financial markets, I'd say no, because it's not, that's not imposter syndrome. That's the fact that I recognize that that's not my area of expertise, but if something is my area of expertise, then I recognize that and own it. Yeah, for sure.

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I just put myself on mute really quickly because my dog is barking. She rarely does. I think our doorbell rang. But I'm fortunate that he doesn't do that very often, especially because he doesn't understand. Stop.

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I'm recording right now. Need to be quiet. I. Oh, my goodness. All right, so you've been in your business now for over 20 years, but you also have started other types of.

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Because I know when I last saw you, you're like, yeah, well, I have, like, three different companies or something. I'm like, what? So you're a busy woman? I am a busy woman. So my primary business is the government contracting firm that we started on September 10, 2001.

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It'll be 23 years this September, which just blows my mind. That's a huge accomplishment. Huge accomplishment. Blows my mind sometimes. Yeah.

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Yeah. When I finished my term on the Navaau national board in 2020, I rolled off the board right as the pandemic was hitting. And you have great timing. I know, right? And all of a sudden, I had so much free time from the pandemic and not being able to go out and do things, and then at the same time, all the time that I had previously been spending doing novel things, all that free time just.

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Or all that time just freed up. So I said, well, I got to figure out something to do with myself. So I decided to write a book.

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And so I wrote my book called master your mindset, how women leaders step up, about the leadership mindsets that people need to think about to be a better, more effective leader, such as getting past imposter syndrome, having growth mindset, developing confidence as a leader, being approachable, being authentic, things like that. And when the book came out in April of 2022, I decided to start a second company called the Villamo Leadership Institute, through which I do leadership coaching and training and speaking and things like that. So that is my second company.

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And. Then my third company, which is a brand new thing. I don't even know if I've told you about this. A few months ago, a guy that I used to work with 25 years ago at one of those big five consulting firms approached me and said, hey, I just started this nonprofit, and I want you to run it. And, yeah.

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Oh. And I was like, what? What are you talking about? I've already got a job. And.

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But we started talking about it, and he told me about it, and I said, you know what? I am the right person to run this. And so I said, yes. And so that's my third, my third business that I'm focused on right now. Now, what is this?

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What is the nonprofit? The nonprofit is called the Society of Enlightened Thrill Seekers, and it's a 501 c ten, which is the kind of, which is the part of the IR's code that governs fraternal organizations. So think the Masons or the Kiwanis or the Elks clubs. Got it. But it'll be in a similar vein in that there's an overarching organization, and then there'll be chapters around the country eventually.

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Right now, we're just starting here in the DC area, but the focus of the chapters, the focus of the organization is on helping people create community, make friends, have fun while doing community service projects. So I don't know if you're familiar, but the surgeon general put out a report last year talking about the epidemic of isolation and loneliness in this country. Yeah. And I, in my experience with Nabo, through a meetup group that I run here in Alexandria, I see that constantly. So many people, especially women, especially older, 50 plus, say women who don't know how to make friends, you know, aren't comfortable going out on their own to do things and are just really looking for things to do, people, ways to meet people that aren't going to bars because we're too old for that now.

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Right. I was always too old for it. Like, I never enjoyed it. Right. So, yeah.

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So we're looking to put some chapters around the area and open clubhouses where people can go and have fun activities planned and do community service projects and form a community within the places that they live and meet people and make friends. I love that. That is incredible. And I see it a lot. I see it.

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I take care of my mother and her health since my father was the one that kept them going and was always doing something, she just kind of tagged along. So since he passed in 2018, and then, of course, Covid hit, I mean, her health has declined, and it's because she's alone, doesn't want to get out and do anything. And I really see it. Yeah. You know, they say people want to.

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Get out, I think, but they don't know how anymore because they got so used to being home alone by themselves during the pandemic. Now all of a sudden, they're like, okay, I want to get out, but I don't know what to do. Yeah. And then also, you know, what you talked about like, people like making friends and everything. And that's kind of like, I've never struggled making friends because I can walk in the room and I can talk to people, but it's having those true connections and the true friendships.

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Yeah. And having that connection, that's what's really hard to cultivate. I think, as you get older, I. Also think it's easier for you and I because we're entrepreneurs, so we're used to having to go into a room and talk to people because that's how we've grown our businesses over the years. Right.

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So that's something that comes naturally to us, or I believe now it comes naturally. Maybe it didn't when we first started, but for people who never had that experience as an entrepreneur, who never really learned how to network professionally, maybe just had a job and then came home and took care of the kids and did. Now all of a sudden, they're empty, nesting, and their lives don't revolve around their kids schedules and their friends who were their kids friends parents, they find out that they have nothing in common with them now that the kids are gone and they feel isolated and lonely and they don't know what to do with themselves. Yeah. I'm hoping that this organization will help alleviate some of that.

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Oh, my gosh. I love that. What a great cause. And it's definitely, definitely needed. I want to go back to what you were talking about in your book, if I may.

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Confidence.

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What types of advice, or what advice can you give to women leaders that may be struggling with that confidence? Because I find, you know, I work with a lot of athletes, and confidence is the number one thing. And I think it's true really across the board in leadership, too. Yeah. Well, I think there's a couple aspects of confidence that you can work on.

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The first is the imposter syndrome thing. I think that's a huge problem that helped, that negatively affects someone's confidence is having that imposter syndrome. What really, I think makes a huge difference is that voice in your head getting control of that voice in your head, because a lot of people think that just because the voice in their head is telling them something, that it must be true. But the fact of the matter is it's not. It's just repeating what it heard.

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And so if you had a parent who was very critical of you or a teacher when you were a kid or a spouse or friends or whatever, the voice in your head just heard the negative things that it said about you and just repeats them. So what I think is most important to build confidence is getting control of that voice and turning it around and making it say good things to you, build you up instead of break you down, because that's what confidence is, right? Feeling, telling yourself, I've got this. I know what I'm doing. I can do this.

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I have the skills. I'm good enough. That's what confidence is. Really believing those things. And if you can change that voice in your head to start saying those things to you on the regular, not just once, right.

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Then that helps you build that confidence, because then you start believing that. Cause when you hear something over and over and over again, you start believing it, whether it's true or not. And that's why so many people don't have confidence, because they've heard that negativity over and over and over. So you have to be able to train your voice in your head to say positive things to you, to say confidence building things instead of confidence defeating things. And after a while, you start believing them.

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Yeah. Yeah. And I know even as an adult, you know, all it takes is one person to say, I don't think you can do that.

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And my brain will take it and run with it. And I'm hearing that voice over and over and over. Yeah. Yeah. Because that's human nature.

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Right? It is. Even, you know, 99 people can say what a great job, how great that was, and one person can say something negative, and that's what you'll remember. Yep. But you have to consciously realize that that's what's happening and stop yourself from telling yourself that over and over again.

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And you can. You can. You just have to know that you can and make the effort to do so. Yeah. I mean, it's a practice, and it's a choice.

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Everything else, it's a practice. It's a practice. Yeah. And I find it so interesting that people think that they have this great mindset and yet they're constantly making poor choices, and they. And then they, you know, they default into the victim mentality and.

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And they're willing to practice so many other things in their life, but they're not willing to practice the mindset. I just find it interesting that the humans really are. We're our own worst enemy so often. Like you said, it's a choice. It's a habit.

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It's a habit to think these negative things about yourself because you're just so used to it and it's your default pattern. And so you really have to make the effort to turn that around. But you can. People can if they put the work into it. You know, I had a coach a couple years ago, he said to me, in life, we don't get what we want.

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We get what we're committed to. Wow. Yeah. And I have to remember that because it's like, I want this, I want that. And then I'm like, well, are you committed to it?

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Yeah. Are you willing to put in the work it takes to get that? Just because sometimes I'm like, no, I'm not. It's like, okay, yeah, then you're not going to get it because you're not committed. Uh huh.

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Exactly. I agree 100%. I agree with. I agree. Yep.

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I know. I wish it was so. You know, some, some things, it's easy and there's. And the other things that on the surface look easy, but, boy, they're not, they're simple, but it's not easy is probably the better way to say it. Better way to say it.

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Oh, my gosh, Molly, we could talk for hours, but I like to try to keep these, you know, short and sweet for the audience's sake. And what is, is there anything else that I haven't brought up today that you'd like to talk about? Because we've covered so many different topics and I hope everybody checks out her book. Master your mindset how women leaders step up. It's, yeah, incredible.

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Thank you. Now, I think we've covered everything, you know, and I would just ask if people are interested in the nonprofit. Our website is thrill dash seekers.org dot. And so we are, like I said, we are starting here in the DC area, but our plan is to expand regionally and then nationally. So if you're interested in starting a chapter in your community, please check out our website and then get in touch.

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Nice. Love it. And that link will be in the show notes. So if you're driving, just wait and pull it up and check that out. All of Molly's links will be in the show notes as well.

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So you can check her out on Instagram, Facebook, mollygimel.com. velamoleadership.com. Well, it's velamo leadership.com, but check the show notes as well. So thank you so much, Molly. I look forward to seeing you hopefully this month at the next NABO meeting, and thank you for everything that you're doing.

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And your contribution is just incredible. So thank you. Well, thank you. And thank you for having me. I enjoyed our conversation.

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Absolutely. Thank you. What is the nonprofit? The nonprofit is called the Society of Enlightened Thrill Seekers. And it's a 501 C ten, which is the kind of, which is the part of the IR's code that governs fraternal organizations.

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So think the masons or the Kiwanis or the Elks clubs. Got it. But it'll be in a similar vein in that there's an overarching organization, then there'll be chapters around the country eventually. Right now, we're just starting here in the DC area, but the focus of the chapters, the focus of the organization is on helping people create community, make friends, have fun while doing community service projects. So I don't know if you're familiar, but the surgeon general put out a report last year talking about the epidemic of isolation and loneliness in this country.

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Yeah. And I, in my experience with Nabo, through a meetup group that I run here in Alexandria, I see that constantly. So many people, especially women, especially older, 50 plus, say women who don't know how to make friends, you know, aren't comfortable going out on their own to do things and are just really looking for things to do, ways to meet people that aren't going to bars because we're too old for that now. Right. I was.

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I was always too old for it. Like, I never enjoyed it. Right. So, yeah. So we're looking to put some chapters around the area and open clubhouses where people can go and have fun activities planned and do community service projects and form a community within the places that they live and meet people and make friends.

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I love that. That is incredible. And I see it a lot. I see it. I take care of my mother and her health, you know, since my father was the one that kept them going and was always, always doing something, she just kind of tagged along.

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So since he passed in 2018, and then, of course, Covid hit, I mean, her health has declined, and it's because she's alone, doesn't want to get out and do anything. And I really see it. Yeah. You know, they say it's, people want. To get out, I think, but they don't know how anymore because they got so used to being home alone by themselves during the pandemic.

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Now all of a sudden they're like, okay, I want to get out, but I don't know what to do. Yeah. And then also, you know, what you talked about, like, people, like, making friends and everything, and that's kind of like, I've never struggled making friends because I can walk in the room and I can talk to people, but it's having those true connections and the true friendships. Yeah. And having that connection that's what's really hard to cultivate.

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I think as you get older, I. Also think it's easier for you and I because we're entrepreneurs, so we're used to having to go into a room and talk to people because that's how we've grown our businesses over the years. Right. So that's something that comes naturally to us, or now it comes naturally. Maybe it didn't when we first started, but for people who never had that experience as an entrepreneur, who never really learned how to network professionally, maybe just had a job and then came home and took care of the kids and did.

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Now all of a sudden, they're empty, nesting. And their lives don't revolve around their kids schedules and their friends who were their kids friends parents. They find out that they have nothing in common with them now that the kids are gone and they feel isolated and lonely and they don't know what to do with themselves. Yeah. I'm hoping that this organization will help alleviate some of that.

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Oh, my gosh. I love that. What a great cause. And it's definitely, definitely needed. I wanna go back to what you were talking about in your book, if I may.

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Confidence.

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What types of advice or what advice can you give to women leaders that may be struggling with that confidence? Because I find, you know, I work with a lot of athletes, and confidence is the number one thing. And I think it's true, really, across the board in leadership, too. Yeah, well, I think there's a couple aspects of confidence that you can work on. The first is the imposter syndrome thing.

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I think that's a huge problem that helped, that negatively affects someone's confidence, is having that imposter syndrome. But what really, I think makes a huge difference is that voice in your head getting control of that voice in your head. Because a lot of people think that just because the voice in their head is telling them something, that it must be true. But the fact of the matter is, it's not. It's just repeating what it heard.

00:33:38
And so if you had a parent who was very critical of you, or a teacher when you were a kid, or a spouse or friends or whatever, the voice in your head just heard the negative things that it said about you and just repeats them. So what I think is most important to build confidence is getting control of that voice and turning it around and making it say good things to you, build you up instead of break you down, because that's what confidence is, right? Feeling, telling yourself, I've got this. I know what I'm doing. I can do this.

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I have the skills. I'm good enough. That's what confidence is, really believing those things. And if you can change that voice in your head to start saying those things to you on the regular, not just once, right. Then that helps you build that confidence, because then you start believing that.

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Cause when you hear something over and over and over again, you start believing it, whether it's true or not. And that's why so many people don't have confidence, because they've heard that negativity over and over and over. So you have to be able to train your voice in your head to say positive things, to say confidence building things, instead of confidence defeating things. And after a while, you start believing them. Yeah.

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Yeah. And I know even as an adult, you know, all it takes is one person to say, I don't think you can do that.

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And my brain will take it and run with it. And I'm hearing that voice over and over and over. Yeah. Yeah. Because that's human nature.

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Right. It is. Even, you know, 99 people can say what a great job, how great that was, and one person can say something negative, and that's what you'll remember. Yep. But you have to consciously realize that that's what's happening and stop yourself from telling yourself that over and over again.

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And you can. You can. You just have to know that you can and make the effort to do so. Yeah. I mean, it's a practice, and it's a choice.

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Like everything else. It's a practice. It's a practice. Yeah. And I find it so interesting that people think that they have this great mindset, and yet they're constantly making poor choices, and they.

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And then they, you know, they default into the victim mentality and. And they're willing to practice so many other things in their life, but they're not willing to practice the mindset. I just find it interesting that the humans really are. We're our own worst enemy so often. Like you said, it's a choice.

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It's a habit. It's a habit to think these negative things about yourself because you're just so used to it, and it's your default pattern. And so you really have to make the effort to turn that around. But you can. People can if they put the work into it.

00:36:41
You know, I had a coach a couple years ago. He said to me, in life, we don't get what we want. We get what we're committed to. Wow. Yeah.

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And I have to remember that because it's like, I want this. I want that. And then I'm like, well, are you committed to it? Yeah. Are you willing to put in the work it takes to get that?

00:37:01
Just because sometimes I'm like, no, I'm not. It's like, okay, yeah, then you're not going to get it because you're not committed. Uh huh. Exactly. I agree 100%.

00:37:11
I agree with. I agree. Yep. I know. I wish it was so.

00:37:15
You know, some, some things, it's easy and there's. And the other things that on the surface look easy, but, boy, they're not, they're simple, but it's not easy is probably the better way to say it. Better way to say it. Oh, my gosh, Molly, we could talk for hours, but I like to try to keep these short and sweet for the audience's sake. And is there anything else that I haven't brought up today that you'd like to talk about?

00:37:42
Cause we've covered so many different topics and I hope everybody checks out her book. Master your mindset how women leaders step up. It's, yeah, incredible. Thank you. Now, I think we've covered everything, you know, and I would just ask if people are interested in the nonprofit.

00:38:00
Our website is thrill Dash seekers.org. and so we are, like I said, we are starting here in the DC area, but our plan is to expand regionally and then nationally. So if you're interested in starting a chapter in your community, please check out our website and then get in touch. Nice. Love it.

00:38:18
And that link will be in the show notes. So if you're driving, just wait and pull it up and check that out. All of Molly's links will be in the show notes as well, so you can check her out on Instagram, Facebook, Molly Gimmel.com velamo leadership.com well, it's leadership.com, but check the show notes as well. So thank you so much, Molly. I look forward to seeing you hopefully this month at the next NAbo meeting.

00:38:54
And thank you for everything that you're doing. And your contribution is just incredible. So thank you. Well, thank you. And thank you for having me.

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