277. The Neuroscience of Addiction: Why We Can't Just Stop Drinking with Dr. Robb Kelly

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Dr. Robb Kelly, what a delight you are. Like the 2 seconds that we had before I hit record. You are just so delightful. Thank you.

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Thank you, Sandy. Of course, as soon as you said, listen, sandy needs you on this time, at this date, I'm like, hell yes, I'm on. Thank you. Thank you so much for being flexible with me. All right, so this is going to be an amazing conversation because you have your phd and you're a sought after recovery expert who believes in treating the causes of addiction and not the symptoms.

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I love that you've been all over. Television, lots of interviews. My goodness. First of all, where are you from? Because I love your accent, and I would guess it totally wrong.

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I would say Australia, but, see, I'm pRobbably wrong. Most people say that. Yeah. Hi, guys. Dr.

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Robb Kell here. Great to see you. I'm from Manchester in England. Okay. And I've been over here 18 years now, 14, in Dallas, Texas, where I resided, and I practiced there, and then San Antonio, Texas, for the last four years, where we came to retire, but we never did.

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So, yeah, here we are. I mean, who wants to retire if you're doing good work in the world? Just, my gosh, what else are you going to do all day, right? I know. Well, my dad always said that the day you retire is the day you die.

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And I've seen that so many times. So what's my job? Sat in front of a computer, speaking to people, maybe a couple of office visits. I do 4 hours a day. What's it to retire from?

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There's no things to retire from. Yeah, exactly. So what was your backstory? How did you get into the work that you do, and why did you specifically choose addiction and recovery? Great question.

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Well, I'm actually a recovered alcoholic and addict. Okay. So my alcoholism took everything away from me. My wife, my kids, my youngest, 130 years on, still haven't seen since the age of one. So, yeah, I suffered badly growing up in Manchester.

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My first drink was at the age of nine on a stage in Liverpool playing with a musical family, and my alcoholism kicked off from there. The only unfortunate thing about alcoholism back in the is no medical person knew anything about it, and they still don't today. The neuroscience behind the addiction is mind blowing. Especially alcoholism is mind blowing. It differs from drug addiction, and we'll get into that later.

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So, yeah, I was homeless for 14 months and actually not couch surfing, actually lived under trees and in bus shelters for 14 months and fought every day, fighting to survive and money to get alcohol and stealing food and all that stuff. And seven times I tried to commit suicide. And on two occasions it worked. My heart stopped, and the EMTs brought me back to life twice. So, yeah, it was a horrible journey, and I wouldn't wish the journey on anybody, but.

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And I say, but with experience and wisdom on the streets. For me, the 14 months on the streets was like a semester at Harvard University because of what I'd learned there. So people say today all the time, what do you know, Dr. Robb, living in that big house. I've seen your cars you drive and stuff.

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What do you know? You've never been homeless. And I go sit down. I me talk to you about that. You've never lost your kids.

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Sit down. You never stabbed your wife because she won't let you finish vodka. Sit down. I've been through all of that stuff, and it makes me the powerhouse I am today. It took me a long time to say that.

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By the way, guys, don't tell that ego, take it confidence of walking with God and everything I do today. So, yeah, that's kind of my backstory back home in Manchester, England. Whoa. Powerful, powerful stuff. And thank you so much for being so transparent, because people need to hear that, right?

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I, too, had my own journey with addiction, and I became addicted to cocaine. And my life hit rock bottom back in January of 1990. So I'm coming up on 34 years. And, yeah, it's an interesting thing. It's a very interesting journey.

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And my brother was homeless on and off for decades, and he finally has been sober for about four years now. And he has his own place to live. And fortunately, where we live, there's programs, county programs that really helped him take charge of his life. I've seen that firsthand. I haven't experienced homelessness.

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And you know what? We all need to think that with. A grain of salt, because it just takes one bad mistake to push you over the edge to being in that situation. It does. People say to me, God, I've never been homeless.

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Thank God for that. Haven't you, though? Because living in the mental capacity that we were living in during our addiction, you're pRobbably the loneliest person in the world. Just because you had a bed to go to or a couch to say, and doesn't mean you have the mentality of being abandoned. So alcohol and drugs have 1% to do with alcoholism and addiction.

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That's the latest neuroscience that we have done over the last 15 years. Find out what it's about. So we get abandoned on the streets. I was abandoned on the streets. No one took my call.

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Nobody would speak to me. And the feeling. But I would have got that feeling in a million dollar apartment. That's right. That feeling of neglect, of a banner.

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Always done it again. So when my kids were taken off me, I was living in a beautiful house, new mercedes every twelve months. I was on six big six figures back in the 80s. But, yeah, it was the loneliest in the world and the saddest person in the world. And I didn't want to live anymore because I discovered one thing, Sandy, and that was it.

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I couldn't live with alcohol. I couldn't live without it. That was the bottom line. And alcohol was the most important thing. So when I went to my doctor and said, hey, it says, oh, you're an alcoholic, I got a pRobblem with that.

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First of all, alcoholism is the only self diagnosed illness in the world. That's right. Wise, do not make an alcoholic warning from the doctor. So that was strike number one. Number two, he just said, try and stop drinking.

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Well, if you are a real Alcoholic, not a heavy drinker or abuser, if you're a real alcoholic, that is impossible to do. And we'll get into it later. About the three parts of the brain that tell us different to anybody else in the world, why we do so. Yeah, it's a rock bomb. Could be in a million dollar house.

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That's right. And what people have to recognize is that happiness comes from inside. It's not the external things. Which is why I have this platform to let people know that it's a choice. And you always have that choice.

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However, when you're dealing with alcoholism and addiction, it's much easier said than done. Why is that? Because people don't know what alcohol, let's just say alcoholism. We mean drug addiction as well. Nobody really knows what alcoholism is or is, very few people.

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So why can't you stop drinking? Your kids just stop drinking because you're wives. Just stop. You've lost your job again. Just stop drinking.

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Yeah, we can't do that. Okay, so we have to look at the complex position and psychological effect that the disease has. And it is a disease. It's a biochemical reaction to the ethanol in alcoholism. What it all kicks process of predisposition.

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Drug addiction is not alcoholism is so that's to differ quite from alcohol and drugs, but it's just a misunderstanding of what's really going on. I hear all the time, doctor Robbert relapse on Friday. And I go, no, you didn't. No, I did. You relapsed a week ago, buddy, or ten days ago, where something changed in your behavior or your mental capacity.

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Neuropathway started to self sabotage a week or ten days ago, and the drink was just inevitable. The final thing you're going to do for self sabotage, it's kind of a symptom, not the cause. So yeah, it's just very misunderstood. And when I get onto programs or electric universities and hospitals about this, they are absolutely taken back with what I tell them. It's not about alcohol.

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It never was about the alcohol. So what is it then? And how can people recognize it if they're struggling with that? When I put alcohol into my body, I react a lot different to my neighbor. Okay, so let's look what happens.

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So if alcoholism is a predisposition, that means we're allergic to it. Alcoholism is the only allergy we get. You don't get allergy in drug addiction or food cake, sex porn. It's only alcoholism. So what happens is I predisposed to that from a family passed down.

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And when I first take the alcohol, it kicks off that I have a medical obsession, which tells me that I need to drink alcohol. I'll scheme to get alcohol. That's the first thing that happens. People say I crave for alcohol. Well, if you've been sober for a couple of months, it's impossible.

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You can't crave for anything that's not already inside your body. So that's strike number one. So then what happens? The hypothalamus is part of the brain. That's our survival instinct.

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Babies have it from birth. They know they need to eat, put the hand in the mouth, or cry because the belly hurts. And to drink water, it's basic human needs. I have to drink water and eat food to survive. Everybody knows that with alcoholics, what happens is the hypothalamus is great to start with, and through life, it starts.

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And then you might be drinking, it still does its job, but all of a sudden, during that drinking career, the hypothalamus turns around and tells alcoholics to drink alcohol only. That's why we can go days or weeks without food or water. So we've got that going on the basal ganglia, which is kind of our repetition. A pilot needs 10,000 hours in the air. That's the repetition we get.

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So when he finally is let out on his own, he can do it blindfolded almost, because it's set in the brain of learning something. What happens with the alcoholic and the drug addict is there's a default. So if you can imagine a clock face ten after everything's going good, we get the wife back, we get the job back, the car is okay, I get a promotion at work, and about ten to the hour, bang. We sell sabotage for no reason at all. Like, nobody can.

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Give me a reason. Yeah, that's an excuse. Give me a reason why you realize you can't do it. Because the two parts of the brain are telling us then the biggest gateway drug in the world, is childhood trauma. And don't listen to therapists who tell you it's a plane crashing.

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Now, this was my childhood, part of my childhood trauma. How many times have I told you? You can't go to college. You're too stupid. That killed me on several occasions.

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So it distorts. So, what we do is the amygdala draws and the trauma stored in our subconscious brain, so we're not aware of it every day. But the prefrontal cortex here, and this is the disease part of it, whose only job is to come up with a solution as quick as it possibly can. The only pRobblem is, it doesn't have to be the right solution. So when this and this is crying out to drink, this thought pattern goes straight to the subconscious brain.

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A piece of crap will never be any good. Well, I'm an alcoholic anyway. What sign of father was you? And that's where the alcohol is, inside the body. That happens weeks before.

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When the alcohol is inside the body, the brain and the prefrontal cortex has done its job. Now, I get sick if I don't drink alcohol, so I'll have to continue to drink it, and I can't stop on my own. Three reasons I'll stop on my own. Death, which I can't. Twice it happened to me, being locked in prison or being put in a treatment center and locked up.

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But apart from that, the treatment center industry is around four to 5% success rate, and twelve step groups are sitting at two to 3%. So what's going on? Stop teaching people to stop drinking and taking drugs. Not the pRobblem.

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So what is the solution, then? Yeah, the solution is this. We have to change the way you think. We have to recircuit the brain away from self sabotage, harm behavior, and we have to get rid of the childhood trauma and clear that up. We call it going back to the scene of the crime.

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Now, that might be buried deep, but why does Jimmy hate Jimmy so much when while drinking, Jimmy can't look into the mirror? Why Jimmy never been successful. And you find out that this learned behavior, enmeshment from caregivers, not their fault. I want to put that out there. Not their fault, because it's generational learn behavior.

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My dad was strong and hit me, so I'll be strong and hit me. It's like the chain has to be broken somewhere, right? So that's the deal, then we have to look at behavior. Central nervous system is what's my reaction to certain things? And then we have to learn, where's my relapse really?

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And what's going on, really? And when you find out that you can permanently, like me, recover from alcoholism and addiction. So I'm a recovered alcoholic. So the first thing people say to me is, a, you can't recover, and b, whenever cured of alcoholism. Well, recovered and cured are two different things.

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Okay, so, first of all, let's look at cure. There's no cure for alcoholism. There's no cure for the common cold, food poisoning, simple as that. So we can't do that. Recovered.

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Look in the Oxford English dictionary where that book. Six of them went to Oxford University. They used the book recovered means to gain one's health. I'm no longer sick and state of mind. Step two, be restored to sanity.

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When I'm in that place, the compulsion to drink was taken away. I've completed my trauma, so I'm never going to go back and be that little scared kid, nine year old looking for elbow, getting bullied, or being told he was a piece of crap, never going to go there again. So what happens then is the subconscious brain does not run the show anymore, where all the bad stuff's hidden. My conscious brain, which is where we get 24 hours at a time. It's not an aa thing, goes way before that.

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If we live in 24 hours at a time, all of our decisions are correct. Tie that with the gut feeling. The gut feeling, always right. So, while we're in the gut, two chemicals, the four chemicals every day to make us happy are serotonin and dopamine, created in the gut. If you're not eating right, you will never be 100% happy serotonin, because let's look at dopamine.

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Depression in America as a whole is classified of being, lack of serotonin, lack of dopamine, that's what it comes down to. So when you go to the doctor, you get SSRI. It's a serotonin, gives you to boost your mood back up, but then you can't dependent on that because it stops our normal serotonin. Why isn't anybody asking the question why my serotonin is low in the first place? So oxytocin, serotonin, dopamine, endorphins need to happen every single day.

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So with a mixture of all that gets to a place where you can be 100% you instead of running on a 45% you. And so what you're suggesting is that. Diet and what we put into our bodies, because if it's starting in the gut or did I misunderstand that? No, it's right. What we eat is so mean.

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I love America. I would become a citizen about two years ago. I take it very seriously. But you've got to look at the food source in America. So let's look at the worst ever.

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Let's look at French McDonald's, french fries. In England, there's two ingredients in McDonald's, two ingredients. In America, there's 27 ingredients, and one. Of those is sugar. Yeah.

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So most of our stuff we get from the supermarket is sprayed in Cornstarch and other likes to keep it preserved. They're dangerous to us. Oils that people use, you get cooking oils, fresh oil, it's banana oil. It's a lot of crap. That story comes from Rockefeller, because he was digging to oil and feeding the engines of the trains.

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And when they went away, they had to do something with it. So they convinced a health organization that they made up of their people that oil was good for cooking and stuff. Got to look at the stuff we're putting in. So, interestingly enough, people say, I've got inflammation on my knee. It's a family thing.

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Got passed down to generation. I've got bad heart. It's impossible to carry inflammation of the knee or heart pRobblems down to your son. It's impossible. But what happens is a deficiency within our food source.

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So if father was eating, let's say, cooking oil every day, frying his stuff in it, but the body can't metabolize or methylate that substance. Then it causes a pRobblem in the body. So that's what's passed down, not the actual injury. And the other thing we have to remember is the presence of oxygen equals the absence of disease. Every disease in our body, every inflammation, every depression, every cancers, everything is created in a hypoxic area of the body.

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Why is that? We only breathe 25% of our lung capacity. The body can't survive on that. The body becomes hypoxic, and then we're open to diseases. The only reason you feel good when you go to the gym, okay, not because of the workout.

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Nobody feels good just doing this. This is why you feel good breathing. It's the oxygen. And people kind of put this down. It's like, it's so important that you do your breath work every morning, not your meditation breath work.

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That is good. But I'm talking about ten deep, exaggerated breaths in, because when you get the oxygen flowing, it's a different volcano. Yeah. Well, as you know, we were supposed to meet last week, and my mother. Ended up in the hospital.

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And part of the reason, and it's so interesting because when I noticed that they had her on oxygen because she wasn't getting enough oxygen and it caused so many other pRobblems. I can't tell you how many times since that day I have heard this same concept, and I never really put it together right. But that was part of the reason. That she wasn't getting the oxygen. Yeah.

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And if we start now, today, I give you four things, when we finish, before we finish, of how you can change your life from tomorrow. But if we do, the morning work includes the oxygen, you'll feel healthy, you'll think clearer, your body will be able to protect yourself more because all the cells are running around with oxygen, not just 25% of your body. It's a game changer. It really is. Wow.

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That's incredible. Incredible. Thank you so much. What's the first thing they do, Sandy? Attack you in an ambulance, put the oxygen on.

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What's the first thing in hospital? Put the oxygen on. Why do they do that? Because we're lacking oxygen. It's one of the reasons no human being wakes up laughing in the morning.

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It's lack of oxygen. So when we get up, when our body's gone into that REM sleep, it also repair time between the hours of two and five. It's when most people die of natural causes because our body is at its lowest, so the oxygen is really low. So if you get up in the morning and you're kind of stumbling a rat stop. Little four things I'm going to tell you to do.

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Get that breath work in, and you will have a different day complaining. Wow. Okay, so we've got breath work, and. What'S the second one? Okay, so get up in the morning, do them ten exaggerated breaths, in and out.

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Lack as much as you can. Do ten of them in the morning. Hold on to something. You will get dizzy if you don't, you're not doing it properly. Stumble into the bathroom after your breath work, you feel pretty good.

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So we're going to march into the bathroom. If you're a right handed teeth brusher, I want you to do one week with your left, one week with your right. Do that for a month. We're changing neural pathways. Okay.

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Right. The third most important thing is saying. Looking in the mirror and saying, I love you ten times, eye to eye. Now, here's case. The women do this a lot.

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When they put the makeup on in the morning, they lean into the mirror and they see all the blemishes on them. And they go around that day with their blemishes on their minds, so they're pretty conscious about how they look. Stand 6ft away from the mirror and the blemishes disappear. That's right. So we only see what other people see.

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So do your mirror work from there. I love you. I love you ten times. No other affirmations. On your way out, make your bed.

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Boom. Your life will change from tomorrow, believe me. Wow, that was so powerful. So the breath work. March into the bathroom, brush your teeth, alternate brushing your teeth, right hand, left hand.

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And that's so important because that's going to help your brain health too, right? Correct. And then you want to stand 6ft back. So you're seeing what other people see and you want to say, I love you ten times. And then you go make your bed.

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Love it. If you bake, bed is already made because you have a great wife or girlfriend or great husband or boyfriend. The other thing you can add is compliment three people every day. Now, why is that important? Well, it releases dopamine to me and person you are complimenting.

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So a lot of people say, well, it's not possible. Next. Try this out, guys. Next time you're in a built up area of people, okay, look, sneakers are always best. Looks around, sees somebody with nice sneakers on and as you pass in and go, hey, man, nice sneakers.

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Hey, man, nice sneaker. Forwards. Hey, man, nice sneaker. He's going to go, oh, thanks, man. Watch him walk away.

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He's going to look down at his shoes at least twice. Yeah. Now you have made his day. So now he's in a great mood. He goes over to wife, goes home to wife or girlfriend because he's in a good mood, she's in a good mood.

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Mother in law calls and it just goes on and on. That's the effect we can have on people. That's right. It's paying it forward. Paying it forward.

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And actually, I actually did that because I'm a talker, like I talk to everybody. And I was on the train, I was traveling and I was on one of the trains that take you from terminal to terminal. And there was this couple in front of me and their shoes were so white, sneaky clean. And I looked at them and I. Was like, I said, how do you.

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Keep them so clean? And I'm like talking and talking. They didn't speak English, but they knew exactly what I was saying because I'm pointing at the shoes and they were just smiling. I'm pointing at my shoes. Duty minor.

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But they were just like gleaming. Yeah. Changing people's lives. Anything you can do. Yeah.

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Oh, my gosh, love that. This has been so amazing. All right, in the beginning, you were talking about addiction. You said that. You were saying that there was three parts to it.

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Well, three parts of the brain, which I mentioned, basal ganglia, amygdala, where the trauma, the amygdala is like the smoke alarm for the brain. Them three parts in alcoholics differ from any other addiction, okay? Alcoholics are born, drug addicts are made, and people are blown away with that. They go, it's all the same. It's not the same.

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I can fully attest to that. Fully attest to that.

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It's crazy when you find out what that is and you find out what you're suffering from, because most people don't. I'm an alcoholic. Says who? My doctor says who else? 5d.

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What else? Something happens inside my body when alcohol goes in. And before that, I think differently. Everything is roll around. So I'm sat outside the shop when I'm homeless, Sandy, I've got a pair of shorts on, I've got a pair of flip flops, I have a spring vest on, t shirt, vest.

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I'm sweating profusely, and it's minus two. It's snowing, I've got banging headache. I can't think properly. My hands are shaking like anything. The guy who knows me now, you're not supposed to serve alcohol till ten, but he sees me out there at 530, as he normally does.

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He opens the door, he lets me go, and he shuts the door behind him. On this day is what changed my life pertaining to let's study about alcoholism and addiction, because people don't know what it is. I stumble to the counter. I mean, literally, I can't talk about. It's panging, I'm sweating, and I put the ten pound down.

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He puts a bottle of vodka on. This morning, I did this.

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Hey, man, take care. Headaches went. Sweats, depression, everything went in literally 5 seconds. Because you were holding the bottle. Yeah.

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Not even opened it. And I looked at the shock and looked back at me, and back at the shocket back at me, and I went, holy shit. It's not about the alcohol. And that's what changed everything for me. Was that when you stopped?

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No, I was off three months when I finally got off, which was just different stories, like an angel story. I got off. That's when I dedicated my life to, a, finding out what this is, because you don't know what it is. And b, let's involve the family on a daily basis, and then let's start getting people. Well, yeah.

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Study the neuroscience behind it. I've studied for the last 1015 years about the neuroscience behind what we're suffering from and how we can permanently fix it when we know how to do that. Wow. That's incredible. So, what do you think about the use of psychedelics to help people recover from childhood trauma?

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Because I've heard that. That. I've never tried it myself, but I've heard that that has been very effective in helping people recover with their childhood trauma. A lot of veterans, PTSD, things like that, 100%. And I've not done enough research, so I can't be an expert on this guy.

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So bear with me. But my knowledge so far is if you're a drug addict, you have the addictive personality. It's not going to work. But the normal people suffering from childhood trauma and PTSD, it opens up the mind and the brain to get rid of that trauma from the past. And it's supposed to be very good, but I have no patients that do it.

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I know my patients. That's been through not all drug and alcoholics, just normal people want to better their lives. I think there's not enough research right now medically, but I do think in the next three to five years, it will become the new phenomenon. Yeah. Well.

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And I do want to just throw out there. I have talked to a few people who are. I've had two guests so far that that's their life's mission, is working with people. And what I do know, that it's critical that it's done in a controlled environment. Yeah.

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Because if you're just sat at home thinking, I'll turn some lsd to get my tron out. Yeah. You're lying to. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

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This has been such an amazing, eye opening conversation, Dr. Kelly, and thank you so much for joining me today. Is there anything else that you'd like to share before we finish up? Just on one thing I'd like to plug. I don't plug my business.

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My book. They all find if you need them. But I really want to plug. TheRobbKellyfoundation.org is the website. Okay.

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Help us help other people. And the difference between our foundation, which has only been going for about three months, is when you donate, you donate $100, and then we give $100 to help somebody. You will get a letter off that person thanking you for the $100 and telling you how they use that $100. So everything is managed, and everything is all about loving each other. So you get a phone call of the guy going, hey, my name is Peter.

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You donated $100 to Robb Kelly foundation. This is what I did with that $100. Thank you so much. I love that. I know.

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Oh, my gosh. That is a beautiful thing. Yeah. And the rest, don't worry. I have enough money.

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I have enough patience. I'm all happy. Don't worry about the body. Yeah, that's nothing. I don't need all that stuff.

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Don't need any more patience. Thank you. The foundation think we're going to make a difference to millions of people's lives. That's incredible. And thank you for that.

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Because knowing that, that's why you hear these stories of, like, Susan G. Coleman foundation, which started out as a great cause. And then you look at the bottom line and the CEO is making seven $800,000 a year. I won't donate money to that cause. No.

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Well, why would you? We have three staff working on it and they get paid from the Robb Kelly group or they get paid from the neuro hero. Another stuff we have going, nobody gets paid for the foundation. If you want to come in and work on a foundation, you're going to work free. Nobody gets anything from that.

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We don't take a dime, so we get, I don't know, 100,000. Let's say, for instance, we can account for every single person that you will get a letter from. From that 100,000. We've seen it all. I've seen treating the 7th child, little Johnny, five or six times back.

00:31:48
The same money, 60 grand. 60. It's like, why would you do that? It's about giving back and helping people. That's right.

00:31:56
Just doing a toy drive now out of our own money in San Antonio and see if you've got kids and you can't afford it, especially if you want parent families. Send me three ideas for your children and we'll pick one. We don't. We pick all three and we get 50 people. And then what we'll do is we'll buy all them presents and me and my sister will get dressed up.

00:32:14
She's an elf and I'm Santa Claus. And we'll wrap all the things and we will spend a full day from 07:00 a.m. Till 07:00 p.m. Delivering to the children from Santa Claus to the mom and dad. You can't afford it.

00:32:30
You're just an incredible human being. Thank you so much for being here today. I really appreciate it. And thank you to everyone who has tuned in today as well. Thank you, Sandy.

00:32:41
Thanks, guys.

00:32:53
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Take care everyone.