301. Integrating Masculine and Feminine Energy: Keys to Balanced Leadership with Bodhi Aldridge

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Bodhi Aldridge, so excited to have you on today, all the way from Melbourne, Australia. Thank you for waking up early for me today and being on. How's everything going? Good, thank you, Sandy. Yeah, we're in the middle of our summer here, so we've had a very hot summer.

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Different to. Different to you guys. And, yeah, great to be here. Great to connect. And I love your energy.

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I love your podcast. I've listened to a few episodes and, yeah, the theme and the audience, it's exciting and such great messages. Oh, thank you. Thank you. I'm excited to have a conversation with you because.

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And I want to hear all about your story, but just for the audience. Bodhisattva, his journey as a father, grandfather, lawyer and coach and a facilitator has taken you across the world, diving deep into traditional teachings and contemporary leadership development so that you can find the magnificence and bring those teachings to other men. And I love that you focus on men. And we were talking before I hit record. So many people out there focus on women, and that's great.

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And we really need men to have this awareness, and we're going to dive into this to really integrate their masculine and feminine energy. And so we're going to talk about that. Before we do, tell us about your story and how you got to this point where you're like, I need to. I need to do this. Like, this is my calling.

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This is my why. Yes, that's right. Exactly. And, you know, as they say, necessity often births all of these journeys. You know, and I guess for me, you know, my father and my mother and father separated when I was quite young.

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And even though I have a relationship with him, he wasn't there. And so navigating this journey as a man became a deep inquiry for me, you know, my wife and I have been together over 40 years. Congratulations. Yeah, thank you. That's right.

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You know, so, so experiencing those milestones as a man of marriage, fatherhood, you know, I really realized that my wife was very supportive. It's like, what is this? You know, like, I didn't have the role models, I didn't have the teachings. And so it became a personal inquiry of what is it to be a man, a husband, a father, a lawyer, now a facilitator, coach. And so I guess that was my personal inquiry, you know, wanting to be the best version of myself and like yourself and a lot of the listeners, being a lifelong learner, it doesn't end.

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It's just this inquiry and curiosity of who are the teachers, what are the books, what are the workshops, what are the courses? And so that was the undercurrent of my personal journey, particularly becoming a father in my twenties. It was like, well, suddenly I'm a father. I didn't have a father role model, particularly. And so it was like.

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And my wife was like, okay, you gotta step up, young man. You know, it's like.

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And so that was the undercurrent and then the transition. Obviously, being an attorney for 20 years, having four children, having a mortgage, it was a very secure job. And I also knew there was something more I was here to offer the world. And so when I transitioned into coaching and facilitating and doing leadership coaching around the world, one of the big milestones, Sandy, was when COVID hit. I just saw more and more men in leadership coming to me for support, coming to me for, you know, connection, direction, which we'll talk about in the masculine and feminine.

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And so I just realized, to your point, there are just so many men out there and men in leadership who are looking for a deeper experience, looking for the tools, looking to connect deeper with themselves, with their wives, with their children. And. And so for me, it's just become an obvious place to really support men around the globe in that demographic. I love that. I love that because, yeah, you know, the masculine and feminine, that they have to come together, and not everybody understands that.

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And we're going to get to that in 1 second. Do you think that you were looking for the more feminine side because you didn't have a male role model, or how did that affect you? I'm just curious because I pretty much raised my son on my own after a divorce, and his father went away for a very long time, and he's back in the picture now, which is great. So I'm just curious. I'm curious about your thoughts on that.

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And how did that. In what ways did it affect you? Yeah, yeah. Great question. My sense is that, you know, most of my teachings, you know, have come from the feminine initially.

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So my mother was an amazing role model. And being a single mother, basically working three jobs, you know, she really, you know. Yes. She really, you know, was so committed to us. You know, there were three of us.

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I was the youngest of three, and so that was my first representation of the feminine. Yep. And also, I think, allowed me to realize the power of the feminine. And then, of course, my next role model was my wife, who, again, called me forth and, you know, basically, with love, said, you know, you've got to step up. And so I think to your question, it was.

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It was a double edge. On the one hand, not having the masculine in my life gave me a clear Runway. Okay. Because I know if my father did stay, it would have. It wouldn't have worked.

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You know, we would have clashed. Yet the flip of that is. Yeah. Most of the representation of adulthood and manhood was coming through the feminine. And part of the hero's journey, which we'll talk about, part of the rites of passage for men is we have to integrate our feminine.

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You know, a lot of the men's work, quote, unquote, out there is very much about the warrior energy. Yeah. That aspect of the masculine which has its place. Yet, as we know, that can get distorted, that can become unhealthy unless you understand and integrate your masculine and feminine in yourself and in your relationship. So let's dive into this.

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And can you just give an overview of the differences between the masculine and the feminine energy and then why you feel that's important for men to really recognize it and tap into one or the other? Right? Yeah. Yeah. And again, you know, in the contemporary world, we've got lots of questions around this, and underlying it all, this isn't about gender.

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Right. Yeah. Which is where most people go, you know? Exactly. Obviously.

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Gender, gender fluidity, non binary. All of those conversations are worthy and important, yet underpinning it all, what traditional cultures knew, and you could call it anything you want, but what they knew is there are two currents of energy, the polarity of the universe, the polarity of the earth, the north and south pole. And these were labeled masculine and feminine, the yin and the yang. And so they're just labels to this energy that runs through. So, as I say, in the universe.

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Yep. In nature, Mother Earth, father Sky, grandmother Moon, all the native american cultures, the aboriginal, australian cultures and these currents are an important part of the polarity and also the integration of this experience that we're having as human beings in nature, our connectedness to it all. And so, to simplify it, the feminine energy in the universe, the feminine energy in us is everything that flows and everything that moves. It's like the ocean. The feminine is constantly move, can be wild, can be calm.

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It can be cool. Yet it's constantly in movement, because the feminine's deepest desire is connection and love. Connection and love. Connection and love. In each moment, do I feel connection and love?

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Do I feel connection and love? The masculine energy in the universe, in us, is that which presences the feminine. Yeah. So it's the consciousness that witnesses. And so the.

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The easy example is the feminine is like the river, and the masculine is the riverbanks. Okay? And if we don't integrate that in ourselves and obviously in our intimate relationships and in our leadership style. I work a lot with leaders because as an integrated leader, you have to have the river and the riverbanks. So you have to have the riverbanks.

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The masculine, it's like the scaffolding. It's like the frameworks. We've got to have structure, right? Yeah. But within that structure, we've also got to have the flow.

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And cultivating this in ourselves, for both men and women, is so important if you want to maximize your impact as a leader, as a father, as a husband, as a partner. And what's interesting is, so the key driver for the feminine is connection and love. The key driver for the masculine energy is freedom. And so you've got the polarity, which can push people apart, because a lot of young men. I know you've got a young son in his twenties.

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Yeah. Young men think freedom lives outside of me. I've got to go and find the holy grail, the freedom. I've got to go climb the mountain. I've got to go surf.

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I've got to go to India. I've got to go meditating. They're looking outside themselves until there's a point in their life when they realized that freedom lives within us. Yeah, it was. It was at the bedside table all along.

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And that's when a lot of men start doing the inner work. And the clients I work with are often at that point, okay. You know, they might have achieved a lot of quote unquote success. Typically, you know, they're reasonably successful in their business. They're married, children, but they know there's something else.

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Yeah. And on the hero's journey, which is the mythology of Joseph Campbell is they start the inner search. And just to summarise that for the listeners, and particularly in the leadership space, when I work with leaders, I do a lot of work globally with leaders, whether they run their own business or whether they're in senior corporate roles. And my definition of a leadership, Sandy, is essentially influence. Right.

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Like, at some level, we're all leaders, formal or informal. That's right. But a lot of men, informal leadership. The two keys to leadership are connection and direction. And when I work with businesses, when I work with teams, what they're saying is I just want to feel a connection with my leader, with my line manager, with my direct report.

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And the connection is the feminine in us. But I also want clarity of direction. I want to know what the expectations are, what's my role? Yeah. Which is the masculine?

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The masculine is all about direction and agency and autonomy. And often staff say it's like the goalposts are moving all the time because I don't have that clear direction. And so when I work with leaders, it's about how do we cultivate both? How do you amplify your ability to connect with yourself through presence and your team and your beloved and your children? And also, how can you give clear direction?

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And that's the integrated leader. Wow, that was so beautifully said. Thank you. I certainly have a better understanding of it and how that works. So.

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Yeah. Wow, that was incredible. Now, what are some things? Just some basic things that if there's any, because like you said, we're all leaders. Even if you're just leading your household, you're a leader.

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What are some things, if there's a listener right now, that's like, oh, my gosh, I love that. What can I do to start implementing this? Are there some basic steps that people can take? Well, one of the biggest challenges, particularly in the US, my observation is that so many women have had to become more masculine.

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Oh, yeah. And you would know if you've been a single mom for some time, you know, you're carrying the. You're carrying the can for both of them. And certainly in corporate, any of the listeners who are working in, you know, organizations and things. And so one of the things I do, and whilst I work predominantly with men, when I work with female leadership groups, and one of the keys is you can stay in your feminine energy.

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And just to clarify that most people. Yep. When we come to gender, and again, this is a huge generalization, but most women are more in their feminine energy and most men are more in their masculine it's not an absolute. There's lots of nuances. But if you're a woman that's more in your feminine energy.

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Yeah. The skill is how can I stay in my feminine energy and access the masculine traits of action, of autonomy, of direction, of structure? Because a lot of women without the knowledge have become. They've lost their feminine energy thinking, I've got to become more masculine in my energy and those traits. And so to answer your question, the first thing I'd invite the listeners to do.

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So if you're a woman who's predominantly in your feminine, and it's pretty easy to, to know through a few simple questions, the invitation to go is how, you know, the reflection point is how can I cultivate and embrace my beautiful feminine energy and also be okay with doing a spreadsheet, you know, doing a, doing a budget, all of those things. And it's just firstly, awareness, like everything. And so that would be my support for, you know, women who are more in their feminine, for men who are more in their masculine. The simple thing is when do you experience that tenderness and that connection and love? And often for fathers, particularly with younger children, you can see that beautiful feminine traits.

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Yeah, but they're still in their masculine. Yeah, it's like the lioness is absolutely in her feminine. But don't mess with my cups. That's right. Yeah.

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Oh, yeah, exactly. And the lion is absolutely in his masculine, but can be tender and bring to his heart his child, his cub, those sorts of things. And so that's the initial exploration is like owning and acknowledging that you may be more in your masculine or feminine energy and then noticing how do I access these other traits that they don't need it to be a father, a leader, a wife, a mother, whatever it might be. Yeah. Make sense?

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Oh, yeah, for sure. And you had me thinking that, like, here, I don't know how things are in Australia and Europe, but here in the United States, there's been a lot of talk over the past few years, especially that the salaries for men and women are not equal. And I think a lot of that. And now, and I'm just, I don't have statistics in front of me, but I know for myself because I am very, very much in my feminine energy most of the time. And we don't ask for the raise.

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We don't ask for. We come in, well, I'll take this much. We kind of. We're, as men, we're like, no, I want a raise and no, I want this much money and no, I've been here for two years. I want to raise.

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And they. And so I think that's where I really see it. Very apparent, the difference between men and women. Yeah. Because men are just more apt to be like.

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And it's not about worth so much because you can have your worth as a woman and for some reason, when it comes to money, it's hard to ask for your worth. For some women, not all, but for many women. Yeah, exactly, exactly. And, you know, beautiful line of inquiry, you know, because. Yeah.

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Working in corporates, I see this all the time. And there has been a lot of research. And if we come back to the feminine and masculine energy, one of the biggest challenges for the feminine and think about it for yourself, even in relationship, is feeling invisible. Yeah. Because the feminine does all of the.

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The driver of the feminine is collaboration, community, connection, complexity. The studies are clear. The feminine is doing all the little things to hold everything together. Yep. Yes, we do.

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Exactly. Exactly. And you do it in your families, you do it in the workplace. And it's essentially. It's just because the feminine.

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The whole joke about multitasking is the feminine is connected to it all. Yeah. And knows what you need to tweak. Yeah. And it's, you know, and it's picking up all of that.

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And the masculine doesn't see it because the masculine's out conquering the mountain, you know, strategic, linear, beating their chest, you know, because they deal with autonomy and separateness. And so the feminine in the workplace is like, can't you see what I bring? What. Why do I have to bloody ask? Is the language.

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Ask for a raise. Look at what I'm doing. I'm the one holding this whole thing together. Right. Yep.

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It's like, you know, and the feminine is all about receptivity. Yeah. So the. The way the feminine performs, and we know this through the neuroscience and it's fascinating. In the workplace is the key driver for the feminine is appreciation and praise.

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Oh, yeah, yeah. You know, if. If you just see me and just appreciate actually what I bring, I'll bring more of it. That's right. Yeah.

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I'll bring more of me to the relationship, to the workplace. Yeah. But interesting, because the masculine is totally opposite. Yeah. If you want the masculine to perform, it's all about feedback, it's all about goal setting.

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If you want to, you know, this is what you're doing wrong. This is what you. You know what I mean? So the feminine's looking for appreciation and praise, the masculine's looking for feedback. And of course, if the leadership is mainly male.

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Yeah. They're not seeing and appreciating what the feminine brains, they're just thinking through their lens of linear and hierarchical and performance and KPI's. And, you know, you've got to meet these goals and everything. And the feminine's like, what the, what's, where's that coming from? That's a demotivator.

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Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah. And, yeah, the layers of that for the feminine, equal pay, you know, the glass ceiling. You know, certainly my experience is a lot of women get to a certain level in their career, you know, intelligent, capable, powerful women. And often, you know, they have children and obviously, you know, there's that challenge.

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And often they look at what it takes to go to the next rung on the ladder, you know, whether it's the partner in the law firm or whether it's to be, you know, the vice president. And what the men have done traditionally is, you know, they'll be working 70 hours a week, and the feminine looks at that and goes, no way. No way I'm going to sacrifice my life just to get to that position. Right. And this is the conversation.

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I'm off to Europe in a couple of weeks. This is the conversation we're now having around the future of leadership because we have to integrate both. The old model, as we know, is dying. The old model doesn't work. The patriarchy, the distorted patriarchy, all of that doesn't work.

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And it's challenging for a lot of men in their fifties and sixties because that model isn't sustainable. Right. You know, and the structures that we've built in corporate isn't sustainable. We've got to reinvent, you know, as Frederic Lalu said, we've got to reinvent organizations. And to do that, we've got to integrate the masculine and feminine.

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Wow. So this is something that, that is really being talked about. Yeah, at that level. Exactly. Yeah.

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And it's interesting because, as I say, I'm going to do some leadership talks in Europe. And it, it actually still is quite a new conversation because, because, again, a lot of people go straight to gender. Yes. Which it isn't about gender. And you can generalize.

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Right. And so people are either wary of the conversation or unwilling to go there. And the other is, so many leaders don't understand this stuff. No, it's like, well, you and I've been on our journey. Yeah.

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Yeah. Well, I was just going to say that, you know, we're even ten years ago, we wouldn't be having a conversation about energy. Yeah. Right. It's like, oh, that's all woo woo.

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That's woo woo. Well, it's not woo woo because every major university in the world has said energy is real. We're energy bodies. We have an energy field around us. It is real.

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It's proven we're all connected. And so it's a conversation that, that if people are not having it, you're just going to fall behind. It's, you know. Yeah, it's. Yeah.

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And it's, it's speeding up. The change is speeding up. There's a university in the, in the United Kingdom with a professor of imagination. Yeah. Yeah.

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It's like we're, we're realizing it's. And so that's why I'm so passionate about this conversation. Whether it's for a householder in your marriage, bringing up children. I do. A lot of, you know, one of my give backs is working with high school students, high school boys, teaching them this stuff, you know?

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And my wife often works with the young, the young women, teaching them the feminine, and then in leadership, in boardrooms, you know, in conferences, like with, this conversation is just so important if we're going to transform the way we experience the world. Well, and thank you for your work with young men and your wife for young women, because I work with a handful of athletes, and they're like sponges. Yeah. They haven't been around long enough to be totally destroyed by humanity. Right.

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And they, you know, they really do. They're like, oh, wow. Like, there's a different way to think. Oh, yeah, there's a different way to think about this. And when you present these and, you know, I mean, I don't know how things are in Australia, but in the United States, my God, just to, like, offer a course and bring this into the school system, public school system, I don't even know what it would take, but they need to bring this type of conversation into the classroom and really start teaching kids about the mindset and how important your thoughts are instead of some of the other traditional ways that they've been doing things.

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Yes. You know? Yeah, absolutely. If we look at education and we know that's going through its own challenges because it's so deeply wide in us, you know? And traditional cultures knew this.

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Traditional cultures knew that they would take the boys off and do initiation. Right, passage. Men learn around the campfire with other men, you know, with uncles, with mentors, with grandfathers, you know, so. That's right. We know it's in our DNA.

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It's just, it's just getting access to it definitely. Yeah. So tell me about your book. You have a best, you're a co author of a best selling book, visionary male leaders. So what prompted this?

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Obviously it was your work, but what can the male reader expect out of this book? Yeah. Thank you. And you know, it was exciting writing the book on this topic. And so I guess the thing is visionary male leaders and what we've been talking about is what I've noticed working with a lot of clients.

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And a lot of my clients are men, sort of early forties to mid fifties. And a lot of them run their own businesses. Yeah. And, and some are in leadership positions and typically they're married, you know, they've got a mortgage, they've got kids and things. But what I'm noticing, Sandy, is there's so many men in their mid forties, mid to late forties now, who are suddenly finding themselves in leadership roles.

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And then in the next few years they're going to be running the organization. Right. And what they're saying is, I don't want that model of male leadership, the one they've seen. I don't want that. My family doesn't want it, my wife doesn't want it.

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We don't want that. But where are the role models for something different? How can it be different? It's like there's this huge vacuum that's occurred yet as to what does the future of male leadership look like? And that's the one day event I'm running in Paris in early May this year with the pont business school.

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We're doing a one day on the future of male leadership. Nice. Yeah. Because this visionary male leadership, the book that I wrote, co authored is all of these men. Yeah.

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Particularly men are looking for. Yeah. What does it look like? Yeah. And so the book, I talk a lot about some of the key qualities in the book.

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One of the key qualities for the feminine is connection. And one of the key ways that the masculine gets to experience connection is presence. So one of the anchors that I teach men, and I often do it in nature, if we can do a nature based retreat, leadership retreat, because when men learn how to be more present and connect with themselves, that's one of the foundational aspects of being a visionary leader. Yeah. How to be present, how to connect with myself, because then I can connect with my team in a different way.

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Wow. And the other key thing which is in the book, and this is such a beautiful experience for me as a man. So one of the essential experiences for the feminine is receptivity. So the feminine remember, the masculine is all about action and outward focus. The feminine is all about receptivity and flow.

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And so in the book, I talk about how do I cultivate receptivity as a man, as a leader? Yeah. And that's very, very new territory for men. Oh, yeah. Because we're so outward action focused.

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And that's why nature can be such a great tool. Intimate relationship's a great tool. How can I receive? And as you know, the work you do, you know, receiving and giving is the whole matrix of manifestation of relationship. Yet so many of us haven't really been taught and understand what is true receptivity.

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The one thing that kept coming up for me when you were talking about it is I find that a lot of men don't really listen. They're not really hearing you. And is that a part of that? I would think that that would be a part of receptivity. Just listening, being actively listening.

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It's. It's a source of, you know, I have an amazing relationship with my husband, and when there's any sort of, you know, little blip, let's just call it, it's generally because he wasn't listening. Yep. Yep. Men tend to, you know, you start talking about it, and men tend, okay, I got to fix it.

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I got to fix it. It. And, like, in my own relationship, I learned to say, okay, I'm going to talk. I want to talk to you about something, and I don't want you to fix it. I just need you to listen to me.

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That's right. And then he's just sitting there, and you can see him, like, biting his head. He wants to jump in so badly. And I'm like, no, you just need to listen to me. That's it.

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Well, the key is. And this is why. So the key to listening is present. And the most attractive thing to the feminine is to be present by the masculine. Yes.

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Just. Just be present. Yeah, just be present. And what I teach, you know, the men is techniques and practices to ground themselves, get in their body and be present. Yeah.

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Notice the beautiful feminine that's in front of you not 24 hours a day yet, but if you can be present. And one of the keys when you're starting to be present is. Yes. Listening. Active listening.

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And it's fascinating with problem solving you touched on. Yeah. And, you know, what you shared is such a common issue because the feminine deals with problems different of the masculine. Yes. So.

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And correct me if I'm wrong, so if you're in your feminine energy and you're wrestling with a problem. The feminine wants to talk it out. The feminine will talk to her girlfriends, talk to a mom, talk to whoever. It's like, I don't need the answer. It's going to come yet.

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But it's this connection and flow. I need to connect and unpack and flow and flow and flow. Yep. Oh, yeah, we got to talk it out till we're done talking about it. Yep, exactly.

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The masculine with a problem has to go into his cave. Right? And every man needs a proper metaphoric cave, not a theater room with a big screen tv. That's not a cave. Yeah, that's an avoidance.

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A cave is all about a place where you can retreat, retreat into yourself, retreat into contemplation, retreat into reflection. And so what the masculine does is the masculine will go into their cave with the problem. And if they can't work it out themselves, which is part of the challenge for many men, is they want to talk to the expert who can solve it. They don't want to talk to all their ten friends about it or their wife about it. They just want to go, who's the expert who can solve this?

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And it's such a clash because, as you say, you know, for the masculine feminine, husband and wife, it's like, yeah, the feminine's going, I don't need a solution here. I just need connection and presence and talk it through and listen to me and see me and hold me and witness me. Yeah. And the men just go, let's just fix it.

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And same in business. Same in business. The two biggest things I see in the boardroom is, so, firstly, the feminine doesn't feel heard or seen. Yeah. And just think about mansplaining.

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You know, it's like, well, there's a whole podcast on that, I'm sure. Exactly. The second piece, Sandy, is that, you know, so many times, and you may have experienced it, like, in a meeting, and I'll use a classic boardroom. So the feminine will, you know, everyone will be, you know, talking about something. The feminine will present a solution.

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Yeah. And it'll kind of. It'll go under the radar, and then 15 minutes later, the CEO will go, I've got this great idea. Let's do this. And it'll be the idea that the feminine brought up, and suddenly they'll own it.

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And it's like, that's. You've probably experienced this in your life.

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Yeah, great idea. Exactly. Great idea. As my wife says, all I need to do is make you think it's your idea. It's like.

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Very true. Very true. But these things, these things in the boardroom and anyone running a small business, I work a lot with builders, architects, lawyers, engineers who may have 10, 20, 50 staff. This is going on as well. You know, it's going on in your organization because people don't understand these nuances.

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They don't understand how to connect with it in themselves. And anyone who's got a team of masculine and feminine, you're missing a trick. Because if you really want to harness the power of your team, you've got to harness the masculine and feminine energy in you and in your team. Yeah. And it's not rocket science.

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It's just awareness and application. Right. Well, yeah. I mean, everything is awareness. And just being introduced to this and read your book, listen to your podcast.

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Yeah. Yes, exactly. True. Freedom is the podcast I started the end of last year. It's on all the podcast apps, and it's, you know, it.

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And I talk a lot about parenting. I talk a lot about relationships. I talk a lot about the hero's journey for men. I'm doing my second season shortly. I'm starting to record because, again, as you say, it's just the awareness, this stuff, you know, when people hear it, we know it.

00:35:30
It's in us. Oh, of course. Yeah. Yeah. I've also put together a free mini course for any of the listeners.

00:35:39
It's about freedom and flow. So it's a five part mini course. I think the tag is www.freeminicourse.com. Okay. I'll make sure that.

00:35:52
Yeah. Anyone interested? Because, yeah, as you can tell, I'm so passionate about this. And, you know, you've got a 23 year old son. I want to teach these young men and going into relationship how to understand the feminine, how to understand themselves better, how to access their purpose and meaning in life.

00:36:10
You know, I just think it's so important. Oh, it totally is. I mean, because when you think about it, today's youth, that's our future. Yep. Yep.

00:36:19
You know, too often people are just stuck in the now, but we've got to think, 2030 years from now, what is. What is this planet going to look like? Yeah. And they're looking for role models. They're looking for mentors.

00:36:31
Yeah. And, you know, there aren't as many as there could be. Right? Yeah, exactly. The healthy masculine.

00:36:38
Yeah. Yeah, that's right. This has been. Bodhi, this has been such an amazing conversation, and you are clearly an expert in this area, so thank you so much. Is there anything else that we haven't talked about that you'd like to share with the audience.

00:36:52
The only point I'd make, and I know a lot of your audience is women, yet any of the men, any of the women, your husbands and sons is, you know, the key, as you know, to all the work you do and all the great podcasts, podcast guests you get, is find a way to create some silence and reflection in your life. And often I suggest nature or the local park or, you know, there might be a place in your house. It's hard for the working mothers in a busy life because that's where it all starts, you know, relationship with self, cultivating this in yourself, if you can, just five minutes a day, you know, self care is tricky, particularly for the working moms. Yet just that little bit of intimacy and connection with yourself, as you know, I'm sure your journey, that's the seed that will blossom and grow. So that would, that's the piece that I'd offer all the listeners.

00:37:45
Love it, love it, love it. Everyone. Check out his book, visionary Male Leaders and his podcast, True Freedom. Bodhi Aldridge. This has been such a pleasure and honor and I'm so grateful that you join me today.

00:37:58
So thank you so much. Yeah, thank you so much, Sandy. Thank you to the listeners. All right, thank you everyone.

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